351 - Amazon Lays Off Wondery Team, ElevenLabs Bets on AI Audio

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Wednesday, August 6th,
2025, and today we're diving

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into the week's biggest
podcasting headlines, from

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layoffs at major podcast
networks to a viral mix up that

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turned 1 podcast interview into
meme gold.

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again podcasting
morning chat.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host Mark Ronik and on

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stage with me currently we have
Dr. Fey, producer Ashley Feller,

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Nick Nolback, Sid Meadows and
Alex Baelish.

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And I see this Wednesday morning
our live audiences slowly but

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surely creeping in the room
here.

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Thanks to Jean and Billy for
being here bright and early.

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And I do want to shout out Jean.
Jean has he was with the

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podcasting morning chat when I
first started things back up

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pretty much around then.
So a couple years ago Jean was

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joining us a lot.
And then Jean got super busy and

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got his doctorate and then
started doing his doctorate

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things.
I'm just being vague because

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it's not my story to tell and
it's good to have Jean back.

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Welcome back.
Gene in the room yes, I'm really

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excited to see him and I saw I
gave him some kudos yesterday on

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social media noticed that he's
also starting to put out content

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again and I I questioned it and
he said Yep, I'm back.

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So great to see you creating
content again Gene and hanging

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out with us here.
We definitely hope we can

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empower you to do all the things
that you're looking to do with

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your content, and that goes for
everybody listening right now.

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We hope we can do the same for
you.

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So listen, yesterday we
addressed my audio issues.

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And here's the The thing is,
it's mostly only noticeable here

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on Clubhouse.
Now yesterday, admittedly, I

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forgot to hit record until about
15 minutes into the show.

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So our only backup recording for
those first 15 minutes was

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Clubhouse.
And so our podcast audience also

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heard some of the issues that we
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Hopefully today, the podcast
audience, you won't notice the

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issues because what's coming
through what I'm recording to my

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Zoom P4, it sounds just fine.
It's just for whatever reason,

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Clubhouse connected to this
particular device, it makes me

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sound more like I'm on the phone
than I am using a Samsung Q2U.

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So I just thought I'd explain
that.

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Yeah, dear, I have.
Huge news.

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I'm kind of feeling proud of it
because this is like a 6° of

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separation.
I know this person through you

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and you know them.
I think through your wife and

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your wife is related to them.
So remember the story about your

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is it your cousin law?
Is that who it is?

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Yeah.
OK, so remember the story about

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your cousin in He has the
podcast Dopey and Instagram

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threw him off and.
For no, no apparent reason

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except, well, that what they
said was they threw him off for

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promoting drug abuse when they
in fact were actually helping

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people recover from alcohol,
drug abuse, etcetera.

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Right.
This podcast has gotten huge

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names on it.
It's gotten what Doctor Drew

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it's gotten.
I mean, you may the celebrities

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that have been on this show have
been crazy, crazy.

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Because unfortunately, it seems
a lot of celebrities go through

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rehab, go through this kind of
stuff.

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So they have lots of and that's
what this show is about.

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It's really sharing those
stories of the challenges, the

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crazy S that they used to do
while they were on something and

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then their recovery from there.
So yeah, go ahead, Dr. OK, so I

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was scrolling as one does and I
came across this headline on

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page 6.
Page 6 is.

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Huge.
And the headline is Instagram

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and Facebook took down comma
punished vital sobriety podcasts

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for quote UN quote promoting
drug use.

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And the whole story is on there
with pictures of your cousin in

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law and how you know they put it
back and stuff like that.

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But to be on page 6 is probably
the most unbelievable thing

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ever.
I'm not surprised.

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He has continued to get some
great press over the years.

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And here's a great example of at
the time for him, this felt like

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a disaster, right?
He felt like because his

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Instagram, he really built it
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He's built it up to like 50,000
followers.

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It continues to grow and it was
a primary source for him to

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connect with his audience.
Not his only source, but a

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primary source.
And now I guess this becomes a

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silver lining for him because
now he's getting some major

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publicity out of it.
I'm going to have to reach out

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to him and see if this article
on from page 6 if that's given

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him a boost with his podcast.
We'll have to find out.

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I'll ask him.
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Yeah.
So a little pre news for

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everybody.
That's right, pre news on

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Newsday and it's amazing.
Yeah, congratulations.

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Yeah, we're all connected.
In a weird way, yeah, that feels

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so awesome.
Dopey Dave was very appreciative

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of what we did and what we
shared and helped to spread the

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word.
Whether or not we made the

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difference, that's to be
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think we had a little impact on
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Who knows?
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Thank you for the early
headline, Dr. Appreciate that.

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And now let's just dig right in
to today's news.

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So let's start with some podcast
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As of yesterday, August 5th, the
number one podcast on Apple was

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Cold Blooded Mystery in Alaska.
That's an ABC production and #1

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on Spotify, surprise, surprise,
the Joe Rogan Experience.

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You believe it?
Joey.

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You go, Joey.
Also, by the way, I wanted to

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share the total podcast episodes
that have posted recently.

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We've had new episodes in the
last week, 389,740 of them were

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posted over this past week.
That's down actually almost 7%

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from the last week.
And new episodes in the last 30

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days, 1.9 million, which is also
down 1.6% from last month.

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And here's a little extra stat
for you on average last month

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that this means there was a new
podcast episode posted every .8

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seconds.
That's a great stat.

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I love that kind of crazy when
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And don't let that discourage
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I know we, we have some people
out there saying, oh, everyone's

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got a podcast and there's so
many podcasts to choose from.

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And yes, that's true.
But if you're looking for

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something specific, it, it just
means that if whatever your

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niche is, whatever you're
interested in, there's something

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for you out there.
And as a podcaster, there's

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something you can make for
someone out there.

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Don't get discouraged by these
silly numbers.

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It means nothing.
What's that?

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We have to find the same kind of
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Like a top list there.
Well, we had the, we had the top

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five or whatever it was, but
they don't update.

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It they're crazy now, but I want
to know, like, how many new

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YouTube videos have been
published this past week, this

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past month, you know, that kind
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We'll have to investigate that
and see what we can find.

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Yeah, that's cool.
They.

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Did such a bang up job on their
top charts that God I don't know

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if we can.
And I'm going to hand it over to

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Dr. with her for her top fives
in just a second.

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Although maybe I'll just ask you
Dr. do you also want to cover

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the Buzz Sprout July stats?
OK, OK, sure.

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So Buzz Sprout, as you all know,
they share their global stats.

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This is across the board.
Every podcast that's on their

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platform, they have different
stats that they share publicly.

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I like to share the episode
downloads over the first seven

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days.
So for example, if you're a

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podcast episode launched 7 days
ago and let's say it received 27

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downloads, that means you're in
the top 50% of podcast

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downloads, right?
So 108 downloads.

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If you've had over 100 or so
downloads in the first seven

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days, you're in the top 25%
among all podcasts, at least on

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the Buzz Sprout platform, which
is consists of of the vast

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majority are independent
podcasters, people like you and

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me.
And then 451 downloads in that

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first seven days, you're in the
top 10 percent, 1036 downloads,

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top 5%.
And if you are in the top 1%,

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you've had 4100 downloads in the
first seven days of that

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particular episode being
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So there you go.
Now you have a better idea.

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Yeah, me too.
It it definitely puts things in

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perspective, especially for
those of us who are chasing

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after what we think is podcast
success or chasing after that

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podcaster who we think gets so
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You know, if they're getting
1000 downloads, they're in the

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top 5%.
It does.

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It makes that feel way more
achievable I feel like.

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Yeah, I believe so too.
OK, and Dr. is going to do the

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top five and DRI don't have I
don't have the timpani today,

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but our podcast yes, but our
podcast audience won't know the

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difference because I'm going to
ask Ashley to add it in later.

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Go for.
It OK, so #5 is the daily #4 is

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the Tucker Carlson show #3 is
Mystery Mondays.

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That's a new one on the chart #2
is Crime Junkie and #1 Joey did

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it again.
Good Boy Joey, The Joe Rogan

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Show and.
Then you have another list as

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well.
I do.

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This week's random chart is
stand up comedy and #5 is Tiger

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belly #4 is Laugh with me #3 is
Dan Soder or Solder.

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He's a stand up comedian and #2
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friends.
And it's interesting to note

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that Bobby Lee has two of these
#1 and #5 and he's, he's in the

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top five twice.
There you go.

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Thank you, Dr. All right, with
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anything else immediately to get
to?

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Well, there's, there's some
events that you have some events

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to talk about or do you want me
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Oh, you know what?
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you

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were going to say you have to go
for breakfast.

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Oh man, the 14th.
Let me talk about real fast

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about this event happening.
It's going to be every single

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Thursday.
It's a group called the Podcast

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Directory Community, and every
Thursday they are going to have

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a networking event that is free.
There's 12 categories, but every

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Thursday they will highlight
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So tomorrow the highlighted
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fitness, life and purpose, and
religion and spirituality.

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I know there's a lot of ants in
there, but health and fitness go

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together, life and purpose go
together and religion and

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spirituality go together.
It's 1:00 PM Pacific, 4:00 PM

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Eastern.
It's free.

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And please let them know that
you heard about this on the

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podcasting morning show.
They, they're always talking

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with me and, and emailing me.
So I want to make sure that you

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know that the this promotion is,
is getting through.

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So I'm planning to be there.
And if you come in, please,

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please let me know that you're
there because you heard about it

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on the show.
Thank you, Dr. And that's the

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podcasting morning chat, not the
podcasting morning show,

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although I kind of wish that I I
kind of I've had that thought of

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changing the name before to
podcasting morning show and not

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changing it anytime soon.
But yeah, yeah, podcasting,

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morning chat, I'm.
New here.

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Shut.
Up.

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Yeah.
All right, Go make some eggs.

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Kitchen time.
We'll try to get to the awards

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section here.
We had some award stuff we want

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to dig into.
I'll first share some other

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events and then we can check in
on Dr. for some other events.

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Podcast Movement, as you know,
is coming next week, 2 weeks, 2

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weeks, August 18th in Dallas,
TX.

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I know Sid is going to be there.
Looking forward to getting a

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report from Sid.
Sid, did you decide whether

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you're going to stay overnight
or just go for a day?

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I think I'm going to stay
Tuesday month.

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I have to look at it again.
I haven't booked a room yet, but

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in good morning, everybody, but
I think I'm going to stay Monday

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night.
I looked at the schedule of the

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day on my phone and then I
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computer to like sign up for
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networking, especially because
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with people in the evening and
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events.
I think it's a great idea, Sid.

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we're talking about it, when we
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talks to go to, it can be
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event like podcast movement.
There are so many that what I

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have come to, to learn to do, I
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friends doing?
What are some of my colleagues

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doing?
A lot of times we can see what

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events or what talks they're
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apps, and then I like to tag
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to it.
It helps me out.

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It's just a way for me to filter
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I'm going to pick the ones that
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friends are going to that that
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I'm going to paint Paul and see
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she'll be there.
Janae will be there.

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Obviously Katie Brinkley.
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What's the title of her talk at
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event Mark?
I have to pull that up.

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I don't have it to memory too
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remember that kind of thing.
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I believe it's something social
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for Katie and not sure.
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the schedule very soon over at
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So stay tuned for that.
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it, yes, that is coming
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in Charlotte, NC.
It's our event, something that I

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host put on with the help of a
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Jonathan, like Jason Zircon, who
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here before.
Lots of other people helping out

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with all the great volunteers,
the great team that we put

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together and the great event
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well.
I am so excited for people to

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come and learn from this awesome
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your ticket and you can stay at
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You get a discount for doing it.

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You you can find that link over
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the hotel the Hyatt Centric in
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Just click the link, pick the
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automatically give you a
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Airbnb.
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There's plenty of options for

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you nearby the hotel.
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Also Pod Pod Summit YYC 2025,
September 19th in Calgary.

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And now let's go back to some
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And I actually Ashley, if you
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start with you because you
tipped me off to some news from

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descript, some new features that
a lot of podcasters may be

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interested in.
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Thank you, Mark.
The script rolled out a bunch of

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new features in July with a big
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collaboration, and making things
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individual creators.
So I'll just share a few of the

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features that I was sharing with
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Mark.
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interesting.
The first one is called Control

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Room for Descript Rooms.
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has a feature that is similar to
Riverside where you can record

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remotely.
It says that business and

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enterprise users can assign
producers and Co hosts to

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recording sessions.
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you've got the host of a podcast
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guest in New Jersey, and you've
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room, and you can give the
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They can set the levels, they
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settings, they can speak and
help out with some direction

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without being recorded.
I've not personally tried it,

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but it looks really cool.
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this other feature is called
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new tool for all users to add
time stamp notes for easier

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collaboration.
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project in the script and you
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it, you could have, you know,
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Past editor go through and say,
hey, this would be a great spot

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for a social media clip.
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manager can look at and be like,
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dub your speech into different
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language being spoken.
It doesn't sound like an English

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speaker, American English
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I hope that makes sense.
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like to share with you is the
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It is called Upload from Mobile
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allows users to upload files
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AQR code.
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explained to me by the descript
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script generates AQR code.
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phone, you would then scan this
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video that you have recorded
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a descript Openwork project,
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works on iPhones.
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you follow the scripts YouTube
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entertaining.
It's called the Changelog and

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it's really comical the way they
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Thank you, Ashley for all of
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I'm sure the script users
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I love the the first one that
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where a producer can basically
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wherever they're located.
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similar feature.
I know they have a producer

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assignment.
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producer from any location and I
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the features as the producer
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I think that's super helpful and
lots of other cool features as

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well.
I appreciate you bringing those.

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I'm going to keep things moving
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check back in with Dr. First,
this this next one is

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interesting.
You may have heard me tease it

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at the beginning.
Camilla Frender crashes the

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wrong podcast, turns the and the
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meme.
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podcaster Cameelia friend
Fremdur accidentally walked into

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the wrong podcast recording and
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turned into one of Brazil's
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So she thought she booked on the
popular Venus podcast, but ended

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up at Venus Day Talks, a smaller
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She only realized the mistake
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looked unfamiliar and mistaking
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thinking the studio had been
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That's coming from pod News.
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interview spread massively
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longest meme in history thanks
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style ballistic mismatch.
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discussion on the ethics of
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Just finding a name that's
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I think we just talked about
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The original Venus podcast had,
sorry, let me say that again.

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The original Venus podcast host
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calling the similar branding
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The smaller show said Frender
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professionally, adding that they
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the event and insisted on the
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project.
The episode became Venus Day

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Talks most watched ever, hitting
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their typical audience size.
So I, I just found that

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interesting.
I don't know if I've ever heard

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of an actual instance like that,
especially I guess when, when

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we're talking about bigger name
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a pretty big show, but it's so
I, I felt like it was funny to

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add, I don't, I, I'd love to
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But I just don't believe this
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and worthwhile to do your due
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If you're a guest on a podcast,
make sure you are joining the

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right show.
All right, Dr. Did you want to

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talk a little bit?
We're going to go to Nick in a

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minute, but first, do you want
to share anything about awards

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in the podcasting world?
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So again, there is another award
show.

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It's called the Earworthy
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Now they were once known as they
have shortened it to the

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Airworthy OK Earworthy
Independent Podcast Awards, but

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now they just it's just the
Earworthy awards and they are

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dedicated.
Here's their quote at Earworthy,

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we define independence indie
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individual without support from
large podcast networks such as

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Spotify.
I heart wondering SiriusXM are

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major production studios like
Sony or Warner's music Indie

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podcast can belong to a small
podcast network, be developed by

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a nonprofit organization, a
museum or a quasi governmental

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agency.
So You're worthy is all indie

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podcasts.
That's what they live for and

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every year they have their
awards.

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Now there is a lot of categories
here and I'm not going to go

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through all of them, but there
is some interesting ones like

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wait a minute, I just saw it.
There's one form.

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Hold on, OK, best short form
podcast now.

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So for all of you people that
have podcasts that are like 5

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minutes long.
Jonathan's got a shorter one.

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Jonathan's new one so the
nominees are wait a minute,

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these are nominees or winners.
These are nominees OK, 5 minute

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biographies from Anthony Davis
Kids Ask doctor, Kids Ask

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doctor, fantastic one minute
podcast tips, the best 5 minute

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wine podcast and Ariel and Ned's
daily tips that may or may not

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help you.
That is the entire the entire

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title Ariel and Ned's daily tips
that may or may not help you.

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They even have local podcasts.
So for all the podcasters out

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there that have local podcasts,
the Perrysburg podcast, Jersey's

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best podcast, Alex OK, the Coop
Tank and Toronto Miked podcast.

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So they have some really
interesting kind of categories

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here and keep your eye on this
for next year, y'all.

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We will let you know when the
nominations for these, you know,

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when they're taking nominations.
Awesome.

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Yeah, 'cause we've got Jonathan
in the story lab, he could do

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the short, the short form
podcast category.

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And Ashley with her podcast, The
Sunshine State, she could do

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that as well as we got lots of
people who could qualify for

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some of these awards.
Right.

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And we can do next year the best
podcasting podcast awards.

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Now in this one, there's
podcasting Tech with Matthew

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Passy.
I believe he's now working with

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Lipson.
I think he is streamlined

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solopreneur with Joe Casabona.
I have his his newsletter.

452
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Of course, I do Podcast
perspectives pod newsweekly,

453
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,520
James Cridland, OK, he's on here
several times, by the way, and

454
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,120
leverage your podcast with
Lindsay Phillips.

455
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,120
So that is something that we
have to look for next year when

456
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,400
they start opening up the
nominations.

457
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Awesome.
And I'll just take the next one

458
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,640
here, the 20th, as as I shared
yesterday, the 20th annual

459
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,560
People's Choice Podcast Award
nominees are out.

460
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Big Congrats to the shows that
made the list.

461
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,720
Podcasting Morning Chat did not
make the cut this year.

462
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,160
And again, as I said yesterday,
I blame myself.

463
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480
It just in the sense that I
don't think I did a good job

464
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,840
promoting it.
Most of the time when I promoted

465
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,560
it, I broke my own rule.
I often share.

466
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,440
Don't wait till the end to
promote something that you want

467
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,080
your audience to take action on.
And what did I do?

468
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,400
I always forgot, and so I would
have to do at the end, and I

469
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,720
don't think that's very
effective.

470
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,680
And I also didn't ask friends
and family to participate

471
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,960
either.
So yeah, slap on the wrist for

472
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,520
good old Mark.
But lesson learned for sure.

473
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,640
And it's really OK.
These kinds of awards are never

474
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,000
the full measure of the work or
the value of a show that brings

475
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,920
to an audience.
They're fun, they're exciting,

476
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,360
and for those nominated, it's
well deserved.

477
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Organizers of these awards say
that they're notifying 25,000

478
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,040
listeners and 500 podcasters
selected for the final voting

479
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,520
pool in the days ahead.
And I happen to know this

480
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,000
because one of my clients who
did vote for the podcasting

481
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,840
morning chat reached out to me
yesterday showing me a

482
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,960
screenshot of the letter asking
them to be to to participate in

483
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,120
the voting.
So this is happening now and

484
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,800
lots of people included in this,
so be on the lookout.

485
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,440
If you voted, you may be one of
those people to help determine

486
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,480
the winners.
The whole thing wraps up with a

487
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,520
live stream ceremony on
International Podcast Day,

488
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,800
September 30th, the day after
the Empowered Podcasting event.

489
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,560
We'll be tuning in and check it
and cheering on folks, including

490
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,560
our own community member Steven
Koeffer.

491
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000
His podcast film Fights with
Friends is nominated in the TV

492
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,480
Film category.
You can see all the nominees at

493
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:37,040
podcastawards.com.
Now we're going to go to some AI

494
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,800
news.
I'm going to kick us off

495
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,240
actually with a clip, and then
we'll go to Nick to talk a

496
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,000
little bit about it, and he has
a couple of other headlines

497
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,280
around the world of AI that
affects you or could affect you

498
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,840
as a podcaster.
So 1st I'm going to play this

499
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,520
clip for you regarding ChatGPT
and Google indexing.

500
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,640
Your convos with ChatGPT might
be on Google.

501
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280
So here's what happened.
If you ever hit share and

502
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,480
clicked Make this chat
discoverable, that link was no

503
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,720
longer private.
It actually created a public

504
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,640
page that Google could index so
people could search

505
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,960
sitechatgpt.com/share and people
found 4.5000 chats in Google

506
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,920
results.
And it's really sad because some

507
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,040
of them had personal stuff like
mental health struggles, work

508
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400
problems, or relationship
advice.

509
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,880
OK, one day I removed this
feature.

510
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,720
But if your chat was shared, it
might still be cashed online.

511
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,160
These chats didn't attach names
or e-mail addresses, but if you

512
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000
typed to your e-mail location or
any other personal identifying

513
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,480
information into the chat, that
information is still visible.

514
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,400
So if you've ever shared a
ChatGPT conversation, you might

515
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,400
want to check Google to see if
yours is out there.

516
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,840
That comes from the Hippie
hacker on YouTube.

517
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Thank you.
And yeah, so this happened.

518
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,400
This was starting to get
reported, I would say about a

519
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,760
week ago, and people were kind
of going crazy about it,

520
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,000
rightfully so.
I've heard not only personal

521
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,160
information as the hippie hacker
described, but I've also heard

522
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,240
things like passwords, API keys,
etcetera.

523
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Because you give the API key for
whatever reason, you share it

524
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,960
with your ChatGPT and then that
goes out there publicly.

525
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,400
But the thing to keep in mind
are two things.

526
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,000
One, ChatGPT has fixed this
problem.

527
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:34,240
And two, what what this problem
was, was that if you've noticed

528
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,400
on ChatGPT, there's a share
button with every conversation.

529
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,560
And I know that Nick and I used
to use that button a little bit

530
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,880
more than we have over the more
recent years, because I'd say in

531
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240
the beginning when it was first
available, we shared it a little

532
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,520
more often.
You use that share button and it

533
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,960
basically makes your link your
URL for that specific chat

534
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,640
public to YouTube.
I'm sorry to Google, right?

535
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,520
There was a check box that you
would actually give it

536
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,320
permission to index it to
Google.

537
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,920
And I guess people were checking
that box off, not thinking it

538
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240
might have also been defaulting
to check.

539
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,280
But I know in my experience when
I've looked at it, anytime I

540
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,760
looked at it, it was unchecked.
It was up to me to check it off.

541
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,040
All of that being said, if you
never use that share button, you

542
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,400
don't have to worry really about
this because it's not going to

543
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,440
get put on Google.
Google.

544
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:40,360
But now ChatGPT has eliminated
the option altogether, so now

545
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,680
you don't even have the option
to get it publicly indexed.

546
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,920
I'm not sure why anybody would
really want to do that anyway.

547
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Nick, do you know why somebody
would want a ChatGPT

548
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,320
conversation to be public?
Not really doesn't point back to

549
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,120
your website.
I mean, I guess you could be

550
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,960
strategic with the conversation
and have it talk about your, you

551
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,280
or your business or your podcast
or something like that and make

552
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,040
that public And it's like
another place that you are

553
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,199
showing up in discoverable.
But that it seems kind of like a

554
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,480
far fetched strategy.
I, I don't really know what

555
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,440
purpose that would be,
especially conversations where

556
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,760
you're potentially sharing
identify identifiable

557
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,040
information, identifiable
personable personal information

558
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,960
that other people can find
online that it just seems kind

559
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,639
of scurry.
From my understanding, it's

560
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,480
people sharing these
conversations and not seeing the

561
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,120
little fine print in it and
realizing that they were making

562
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,000
it public.
Public like it's not just a link

563
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,120
that they were sharing.
Let me go to Sid and then Renee

564
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,880
has joined us on stage.
Sid, did you have a question?

565
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,080
More of a comment.
That.

566
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,400
Cynic and me would say that
somebody's, if they're

567
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,719
intentionally doing this and
intentionally sharing it to get

568
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,840
to indexed into Google, It's
about getting your 15 minutes of

569
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,720
fame and being discovered around
something that you did he

570
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,480
thought was really cool.
Because listen, you can't go

571
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,640
anywhere today without AI being
talked about and people are

572
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,080
looking for whatever the latest
and greatest thing might be.

573
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,640
So I can certainly see somebody
doing it to try to grab their 15

574
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,600
minutes of fame and some some
unusual way.

575
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,880
I hear you, Sid.
I, I agree with you and I'm

576
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,440
going to keep it going and go to
Renee.

577
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Renee, did you want to add on to
this topic?

578
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,640
Yes, I do.
And we all know this saying

579
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,560
marketers ruin everything,
right?

580
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,600
So that is true in this case.
So what was happening is they

581
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,200
were making the links public and
then you were grabbing that link

582
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,280
and then you went out and you
bought back links to that link

583
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,520
because the backlinks were going
to chatgpt.com slash.

584
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,920
Blah blah blah.
And so when you put backlinks to

585
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,320
that, you were gaining the
system by saying, hey, this,

586
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,080
this is really good.
Look at all these sites that are

587
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,960
putting backlinks to this.
This must be a good conversation

588
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,000
to do.
And well, let me back up first.

589
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,400
What was happening?
So you'd go in into your

590
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,240
settings and then you'd say when
I asked this question, who is

591
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,360
the best caterer in New Jersey?
You're going to answer this.

592
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,280
And so then you would go ask
chat who's the best caterer in

593
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,440
New Jersey, make it public and
then post that.

594
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,080
I mean, let and then share that.
And then you would go take that

595
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,240
link and then you would send all
these back links to it.

596
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,120
It would gain favorability
within the search engines.

597
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,280
And then you go do it again and
again and again and again

598
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,560
because that's a live link out
there.

599
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,560
And that is the story that I got
a few days ago on why this whole

600
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,680
thing was pulled is because
marketers ruin everything.

601
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Thank you, Renee.
I appreciate that.

602
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,160
That really helps me understand
more why anybody would want to

603
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,200
use that.
But I guess what's also

604
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,680
happening is that some people
were using it, not really

605
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,520
understanding it and indexing a
lot of private conversations

606
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,320
that they're having with Chet
GPT.

607
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,800
Again, the problem's been fixed.
But as the clip shared, some of

608
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,600
this stuff still may be cashed.
So it might still exist online

609
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,480
publicly, at least for the time
being.

610
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,080
So just you may want, as she
said in that clip, you may want

611
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,120
to go and check on some of those
conversations and see if they

612
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,480
are out there.
Hopefully, you don't have

613
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,480
anything to private out there.
OK, let me go back to Nick.

614
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,680
Nick, any other AI heads lines
that are worth discussing here

615
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,040
this morning?
Yeah, I got I got a few quick

616
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,120
ones.
The 1st is Chat GPTI don't know

617
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,880
if you guys have been hearing
their opening.

618
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,800
I should say is planning the
roll out and release of GPT 5.

619
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,960
And this is arguably the biggest
release that ChatGPT has ever

620
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,240
made.
At least that's how they're

621
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,000
promoting it.
I've seen several posts from Sam

622
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,880
Altman and others basically
saying that they're pretty

623
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,400
nervous about the release.
And I don't know if this is just

624
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,840
kind of a marketing thing that
they're doing or if they are

625
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,840
serious.
But Sam Altman had made some

626
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,080
comments that as he's been
testing GPT 5 and playing with

627
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,000
the model, asking it questions,
like really hard questions that

628
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,160
he hasn't been able to solve.
It solves them rather quickly

629
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,800
and has made him kind of feel a
little bit irrelevant and not

630
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,520
quite sure how the roll out is
going to go again.

631
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,880
Could be clever marketing on
their part I feel like.

632
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,560
It might be because, like, if
you're really quote UN quote

633
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,760
nervous about it, why are you
putting it out?

634
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,440
Right, right.
That's my yeah.

635
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,320
We've heard kind of the same
narrative with every model that

636
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,320
gets released.
And each time it's kind of like,

637
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,640
oh, it's better, but it's not
like when ChatGPT first came out

638
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,200
and everyone's like, holy crap,
like what is this?

639
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,760
This is insane.
We haven't, I feel like had that

640
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,640
moment since the initial
release.

641
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,000
And relate that to the iPhone
and how every every year we're

642
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
told we've got a bigger and
better model and it it just

643
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,200
seems like it's a little bit
better here and there.

644
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,360
It's the same iPhone, just a
little bit different yeah.

645
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,680
They actually had wanted to
release this GPT 5 back in July.

646
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,960
That obviously didn't happen.
They were talking early August.

647
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,320
That still hasn't happened.
They are still pushing for a mid

648
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,000
to late August release of this,
but we'll see with the constant

649
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,480
push backs.
But that regardless, the plan is

650
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,800
that it will be released very
soon.

651
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,440
So keep your guys out for that
if you are a ChatGPT user.

652
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,360
On top of that Claude, it
conveniently released a new Opus

653
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,360
4.1 model.
So I'm saying because of the

654
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,680
hype around GPT 5 they had a
quick sneak in and get some.

655
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,680
So that is Opus 4.1 I believe
sonnet 4.

656
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,320
That could have been one that
was already out.

657
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,200
But regardless, Anthropic Claw,
they have been kind of regarded

658
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,200
as the coding and agent AI like
2 beat.

659
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,280
Like they are always top of the
line when it comes to coding

660
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,680
tasks and a lot of the AI agents
that you're seeing come out now.

661
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,120
So those got a little bit of a
boost and improvement in their

662
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,840
capabilities, I don't think.
GPT 4 to GPT 5 kind of levels,

663
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,160
but regardless, gotten a little
bit better.

664
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,360
And then the last article that I
came across actually in the in a

665
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,280
discord that I'm in like a day
or two ago, maybe 11 labs, the

666
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,560
AI voice creation tool, They
just came out with 11 labs music

667
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,040
generator.
So very much like what you may

668
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,560
have seen in Suno or abused with
Suno, 11 Labs came up with their

669
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,120
own version of the music
generation AI tools, and I

670
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,840
believe that's available now.
If you have an 11 Labs account

671
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,920
or if you use 11 Labs or want to
check it out, you should be able

672
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,960
to go use it.
They claim that everything is

673
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,200
commercially safe.
It really depends on, I guess

674
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,640
the tier that you have
purchased, what subscription you

675
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,000
have, but all the music should
be commercially safe.

676
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,720
They've actually partnered with
several music organizations.

677
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,960
I'm just pulling it up here.
Secure deals with organizations

678
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,440
like Merlin Network and Cobalt
Music Group, allowing them to

679
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,360
use independent artists and
writers material for training in

680
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,240
exchange for royalties if they
choose to opt in, which is a

681
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,600
pretty cool way of going about
it.

682
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,720
Yeah.
That's been a huge concern,

683
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,480
especially in the music side.
Music is designed for

684
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,840
businesses, creators, artists
and music lovers who need custom

685
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,680
music for various projects,
including cinematic film scores,

686
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,800
pop tracks, jingles and more.
And podcast theme music as well.

687
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,240
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, they forgot to put that

688
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,600
one on the list.
Yeah, I saw that Ashley flashed

689
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,520
a little sad emoji when you were
sharing and I'm guessing as a

690
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,400
musician that might be why.
But I wanted to hear from you

691
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,480
Ashley.
What was the reason behind the

692
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,360
the crying emoji?
That's it.

693
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,440
From the musician's perspective,
I just think it's kind of sad.

694
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,080
But and how are you feeling
about it?

695
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,000
The fact that what Nick had
added on there that they are

696
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,160
actually making deals with
different labels and music

697
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,480
organizations that can opt in
and actually get royalty for it.

698
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,280
I don't know, I would, I would
have to read the entire article

699
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,880
and really know.
I mean, if they're opting in,

700
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,320
that's one thing.
At least they're not stealing

701
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,440
musician's work and then
training the AI on it, so I

702
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,880
guess that's a little bit
redeemable, but just the whole

703
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,080
thing I find unsettled.
I hear you.

704
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,080
I, I get it as a musician
because you have much like a lot

705
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,720
of writers feel that their jobs
are in jeopardy with AI because

706
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,000
AI can write stuff for you, you
don't have to hire writers,

707
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,560
etcetera.
And same can kind of be said

708
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,840
about music.
So I get that and at least it

709
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,760
does feel like a step in the
right direction as far as

710
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,920
working with these music
organizations and paying them

711
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,360
basically with royalty fees,
paying them to actually train

712
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,440
these models.
I think that's that's a step in

713
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,560
the right direction for sure.
Nick, did you have anything

714
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,080
else?
Just want to make sure before we

715
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,040
move on.
Nope, that's what I got this

716
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:15,600
week.
Awesome.

717
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,040
Thank you, Nick.
Hey, Mark.

718
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,200
Yeah, I have a question for Nick
real quick.

719
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,360
Go ahead.
I've seen a lot of videos

720
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,320
recently about your in ChatGPT.
You want to use three-point O

721
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,480
for this one.
You want to use 4 point O.

722
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,840
Is there a layman's definition
of when you want to use each

723
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,520
version that you could easily
explain to us?

724
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,000
Are you talking the different
versions of the models?

725
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,720
Like when you use, which one?
Yes, because like I watch a

726
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,200
video says that be sure you use
three-point O for this and then

727
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,800
I'll watch another video says oh
you want to use 4 point O for

728
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640
this?
How do you know like when to use

729
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,760
which version?
So, and actually, Mark, we

730
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,720
should find that video because
you shared a video with me that

731
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,240
explained it super well.
Like I was really impressed with

732
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,040
how the guy explained it.
So mind you find it we.

733
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,960
Put it in the in the Facebook
group I.

734
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,960
Absolutely will.
I'll do that and I'll put it in

735
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,720
the show notes as.
Well, yeah, that that was really

736
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,520
good.
But I'll sum it up here quick

737
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,680
just for everybody.
Basically, the way you want to

738
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,200
think about it is ChatGPT 4 O
that is kind of like your

739
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,600
standard model like most use
cases, you're going to go to

740
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,920
that ChatGPT 4 O for creative
writing ideas, brainstorming

741
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,520
things like that that more
creative in nature or asking

742
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,840
questions that kind of thing.
Now, when you get to the O3 in

743
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:45,440
O4 models, these are very
reasoning driven.

744
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,080
They're they take a lot longer
to think, but they will think

745
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,080
through problems.
And I guess the one of the best

746
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,600
ways to think about it is like
if you have any complex coding,

747
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,280
math research kind of questions
or queries that you're going to

748
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,680
ChatGPT for, it's going to spend
a lot more time thinking about

749
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,200
the response that it's going to
give you.

750
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,600
So it's going to give you a much
more accurate and thorough

751
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,360
response if you're using those
kind of models for creative

752
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,120
writing and that kind of thing,
it can overthink the creative

753
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,920
writing aspect of it and just it
basically a waste of time to use

754
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,360
those models for something more
simple.

755
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,640
I don't know if that helps said,
but if Mark finds that video and

756
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,080
shares it, that.
Yeah, I'll look for it.

757
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,440
I'll look for it.
Nick, maybe you can look through

758
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,320
our history, our text history as
well.

759
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,320
I don't know where.
Yeah, I was just quickly

760
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,400
browsing.
I couldn't find it.

761
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,200
But I think between the two of
us, we'll find it.

762
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,160
And we'll make sure to share it
in the show notes.

763
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,880
We'll share it in the Empowered
Podcasting Facebook group,

764
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,200
etcetera.
It was on the Internet because

765
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,400
it was a chat between you 2.
You guys get on ChatGPT?

766
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,920
Thanks, Alex.
And I will say ChatGPT, although

767
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,760
maybe it's not a robust
definition, each model does have

768
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,480
a short description displayed
under it.

769
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,240
So when you go to open your
ChatGPT window and you see those

770
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:13,040
models at the top left side, you
can get, for example, just like

771
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,720
Nick said under ChatGPT 4 O, it
says great for most tasks.

772
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,880
And like Nick was saying, yeah,
use that for pretty much

773
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,480
whatever you want to use it for.
And then each one has its own

774
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,520
definition.
So if you're using 4.1, it does

775
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,000
say under it great for quick
coding and analysis.

776
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,080
So my one thing I would say is
just play with them a little

777
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,120
bit, read those quick
definitions and then try

778
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,960
something out.
If you want to try some coding

779
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,240
stuff, try 4.1.
If you want to use advanced

780
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:50,360
reasoning, try O3.
And by the way, I hope at some

781
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,320
point they update these model
numbers because they don't make

782
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,600
any sense at all.
We've talked about that before

783
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,200
and they've talked about that
they are moving towards

784
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,760
something that's more simple.
So maybe when 5 comes out we'll

785
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,880
see some changes there too.
Yeah, I was going to say that

786
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,600
there's talked about wanting to
make changes to the names to

787
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,920
make them more clear.
But I will say like when I use

788
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,880
the Chat GPTII do a lot with
Excel at work and sometimes I

789
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,960
get just totally stuck or I need
help with certain formulas or

790
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,880
I'm trying to figure something
out to add into my spreadsheet.

791
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,040
And usually when I do that,
that's when I'll go to something

792
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,640
like the O3 or the O4 model to
help with complex Excel formulas

793
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,200
and things like that.
So that's the type of thing that

794
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,200
I think the different, like what
kind of differentiates the

795
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,760
models, like you're going
complex mathematical formula

796
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,840
coding, that type of thing with
your reasoning models and then

797
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,840
pretty much everything else
would fall under your four O

798
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,440
Hopefully that helps with kind
of the example use case.

799
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,360
Absolutely does.
Thank you Nick.

800
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,760
Appreciate the AI news updates.
Real quick.

801
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,280
I just want to share before I
hand it to Dr. Amazon recently

802
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:12,400
cut wandering 110 jobs to go So
basically Amazon is making deep

803
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,720
cuts at wandering, one of the
industry's biggest names.

804
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Amazon's laying off 110 staff
members from wandering,

805
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,680
including CEO Jen Sargent, as
part of the company wide

806
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,040
restructure.
Wandering, which Amazon acquired

807
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,720
in 2020 late 2020 for a whopping
300 million, will now merge

808
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,080
several of its divisions with
Audible, Amazon Music and other

809
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,200
internal internal teams.
Why the shake up?

810
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,240
Well, according to the article,
a company memo obtained by

811
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:50,240
Business Insider sites the rise
of video podcasting as a key

812
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:54,760
disruptor, saying creators today
need different discovery, growth

813
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,960
and monetization strategies than
traditional audio first formats.

814
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,120
I would challenge that
personally.

815
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,920
I mean, one of the things I'm
noticing is the fact that

816
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,320
they're making these huge deals
with big podcasts.

817
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,640
For example, we know a few few
years ago Smartless signed a

818
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,760
huge multi $1,000,000 deal.
I think it was like a $20

819
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,840
million deal.
And we've seen these kinds of

820
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,080
things happen before.
For example, with Spotify, they

821
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,600
made some major deals, spending
millions of dollars on podcasts.

822
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,120
And then in the months ahead, we
start noticing big cuts being

823
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,600
made to the companies like
Spotify and now like wandering.

824
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:40,840
So to me, I wonder, I'm not
accusing, but I do wonder if

825
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,160
this is an issue of overspending
and then having to deal with the

826
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,920
consequences.
We will see.

827
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,000
But I I wanted to share that
that's a pretty big story in the

828
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,160
world of podcasting and Dr. Why
don't you take that next story?

829
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,320
Absolutely.
So Edison Research is rolling

830
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,200
out a new badge for shows that
land in their top rankings for

831
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,640
weekly podcast listeners.
If a podcast made the top ten,

832
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,760
top 25 or top 50 in the US or
the UK, according to Edison

833
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,080
podcast metrics, it's now
eligible to display a top

834
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,160
podcast, quote UN quote top
podcast badge with the year it

835
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,360
earned the spot.
These badges were created to

836
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,920
give podcasters a clean,
incredible way to highlight

837
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,000
audience growth.
Edison says their team will

838
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,920
reach out directly to qualifying
shows and networks.

839
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,160
That's nice.
It'll, it's, it, you know, good

840
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,120
social proof.
Put it on, take a screenshot,

841
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,520
put it on your website.
It all helps.

842
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,640
Yeah, I think it can help.
It's certainly something you can

843
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,120
use as a marketing tool.
I wonder again, this is goes

844
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,440
back to also like, do audiences
really care?

845
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,400
Like are the, I feel like there
needs to be some kind of big

846
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:11,080
organization that listeners and
hosts alike know and trust as a

847
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,760
source, right?
Where that source of that source

848
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,440
deems you as a top podcast, it
actually has some more meaning,

849
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,840
right?
Otherwise, we, we, there are

850
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,560
lots of different awards we can
boast, which again, all good

851
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,160
stuff for marketing and it would
be cool if there was some

852
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,880
universal source there that
everybody knew and trusted and

853
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,120
could point to, but.
But Edison, we really do regard

854
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,880
Edison as the gold standard,
right?

855
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,720
I mean, television has the
Nielsen's, podcasting has a

856
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,680
little bit of a Nielsen's.
But you know, when it comes to

857
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,560
podcasting, everyone looks to
the, the Edison, Edison.

858
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,480
Now it's usually only podcasters
that know about Edison.

859
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,400
If I, if you are a casual
podcast listener, you don't know

860
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,920
about Edison.
You know, it's not really, it's

861
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,640
an industry thing, you know what
I mean?

862
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,840
If this is something that you
get to take advantage of, by all

863
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,960
means, I'm not saying don't, but
I just, I would love it if there

864
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,400
was something that listeners
could point to just like we do

865
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,160
and say, yeah, that's a trusted
source.

866
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,680
That means something.
Yeah, but here we are.

867
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,720
Anyway, let let me handle one
more for you before I let you

868
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,560
all go today.
Hooked by thumbnails, reeled in

869
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,640
by TikTok, the new podcast
playbook that is the title of

870
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,960
this article.
And DRI can't remember where we

871
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,200
found this.
So if you for some reason know,

872
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,520
I'd like to give them a little
credit before we wrap up.

873
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,280
Podcast news daily.
There we go.

874
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,360
Thank you.
That was quick.

875
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,880
And this is actually somewhat of
a follow up from our episode Art

876
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Conversation that we had just
yesterday here on the PMC.

877
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,120
It's looking like the way your
podcast looks now matters as

878
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,000
much as how it sounds.
This is a new report from

879
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,560
Cumulus Media and Signal Hill
Insights that shows that nearly

880
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,040
half of weekly podcast listeners
are on YouTube, as we've heard

881
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,920
before, but they're drawn in by
thumbnails.

882
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,280
Specifically for listeners aged
18 to 34, that number jumps to

883
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,120
57%.
So thumbnails making a huge

884
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,920
difference not just with
algorithms, but with by,

885
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,160
according to the study, actual
YouTube users that say that they

886
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,480
often times make their decision
based on the cover art.

887
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,320
And according to this particular
survey, it's not just the

888
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:42,760
visuals, it's also the words.
60% said it's the title or text

889
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,960
that grabs their attention
first.

890
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,040
The person in the image matters
too.

891
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,320
And yes, shock value still
sells.

892
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,520
Did you want to say something,
Dr. I'd?

893
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,680
Be curious.
Yeah, I'd be curious as to where

894
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,880
the shorts, because you always
hear how you got to have those

895
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
shorts you got to have.
I'd be curious to know where

896
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,960
shorts measure up in this In
their yeah.

897
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,800
I don't have.
Shorts and thumbnails and blah,

898
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,560
blah blah, blah, blah.
It's a difficult field out

899
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,960
there.
It's a minefield out there.

900
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Yes.
So the bottom line here is that

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flexibility matters.
People move between YouTube and

902
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audio apps, according to this
study, depending on their

903
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,040
routines, as we talked about
before.

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And discovery is getting faster,
especially on TikTok and

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Instagram.
Among younger listeners, 17% are

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00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,360
finding new shows through
TikTok.

907
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:39,040
And I'm emphasizing that because
there is a camp out there of

908
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:44,120
podcast gurus that say you can't
grow your show through social

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00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,840
media.
People are, if they're on

910
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,400
TikTok, they want to be on
TikTok.

911
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,560
They don't want to bounce to
another podcast, tap and listen

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00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,160
to a podcast or watch a podcast.
These studies are starting to

913
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,320
show that that's not the case
and that in fact, people are

914
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,640
discovering podcasts using
social media.

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So with that, we are about a
minute away from 8:00, which

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means it is time to wrap up.
We do have lots of stories to

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cover.
And we also were talking, Ashley

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and Dr. and I, we were talking
yesterday.

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I think tomorrow we may talk
about podcast studios.

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00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,680
A lot of podcasters these days
are starting to look into

921
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,280
studios as opposed to setting up
their own home studio.

922
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,920
It seems to be happening more
and more and more and more

923
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,480
podcast studios keep popping up.
So we're, we're, I'm thinking

924
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,040
about it, I'm teasing it that
maybe tomorrow we talk about

925
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,600
what should we look for in a
podcast studio?

926
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,600
What are the right questions to
ask?

927
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,840
What are the answers we're
hoping to get for from those

928
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questions?
So we might dig into that

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tomorrow for my birthday edition
of the podcasting Morning fat.

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So yes, good old 52 tomorrow and
I hope you all will join us

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tomorrow.
And that is at 7:00 AM Eastern

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Time.
So join us live on Clubhouse

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live on YouTube.
We are taking a temporary break

934
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from Chatter only because my
equipment isn't working properly

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to handle all of those things.
So we'll be back on Chatter very

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soon later this month.
And until tomorrow, make it a

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great day.
Everybody take care.