507. AI Editing and the Future of Podcasting

0:00 Marc Ronick: Foreign Good morning podcasters. Today is Thursday, April 30, 2026, and today, podcast editing is more than cutting mistakes, so we're exploring where AI can help, where editing falls short, and why connection still matters more than perfection. So if you're listening live on clubhouse, hit the share button top right hand side of the screen and share it however clubhouse lets you. And if you're catching us via podcast, YouTube, etc, please share this episode with a fellow podcaster. And now give us about 30 rolling. Thanks for being here.

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3:58 So if you want your show evaluated, if that sounds like something interesting to you, you can have you can submit to have your podcast evaluated at podcasting morning chat, Comm, slash, eval, e, v, a, l, fill out the form, and we'll let you know if and when we're going to break your show down. Okay, let's dig in to today's topic. Now yesterday, I teased it a little bit that we talk about editing today, and I want to start with the AI side of it, because it's really moving fast. I saw a video yesterday and I shared it with Nick called how I fully automated my video editing with Claude code. And it got me thinking about what happens when editing becomes less of a manual process and more of a prompt driven workflow.

4:51 And I got really curious, because, look, we know that there are AI editors out there, descript. Does it Riverside? My. My preferred choice, Riverside has a lot of AI tools. There are also Short Form Editing tools like Opus clips and minvo et cetera. So we know that stuff exists. I'm not saying it doesn't, but what I am saying is that this video was claiming that their video was completely edited, the one that we actually watched Nick, and I completely edited by Claude. And so I had to go to Nick and say, Nick, what? What is this? And is this really true? Can this actually happen?

5:32 So, Nick, let's start there for people who haven't seen this video or this type of workflow before, most likely, most of us haven't seen this workflow before. What is AI editing with Claude actually mean Nick Hey, Nick: good morning, everybody Marc Ronick: morning. Nick: So AI actually editing. So AI itself. I'm going to kind of lead into the whole discussion here. Ai itself isn't doing the editing. orchestrator, if you will. And this is something that you need to think about with. Anything that you want AI to do, aside from generating text or images, if you're using chat, GPT or Gemini or whatever, AI is basically looking at a playbook. It's got this set of tools, this And when you ask it a playbook and saying, okay, based in this playbook match up to where I can follow it?

6:38 And that's what AI is essentially doing is you're giving AI a playbook to say, Hey, these are the specific tools that you can use. Here's how you actually use them. When I ask you to edit a video, it's going to that playbook and saying, okay, here are the list of things that I can actually do with that video, and it's following those instructions. Marc Ronick: Yeah, let me so, AI isn't actually doing the right, like you just have to you hired an editor, let's say and they come to your office or your home space, and you're going to give them those Tools, potentially, right?

7:19 Like, here is Adobe tools. Here are final here's Final Cut Pro. Go to it, right? So it's kind of the same, I think, right? You're doing that just with AI, Nick: yeah, I guess, in a way, and I guess specifically with, like, the video that we're watching, where Claude was kind of being that orchestrator there, it's accessing a specific tool, like it's accessing its own version of Adobe, which is a it's a legitimate company. It's a legitimate operation that handles video editing, and really a lot of AI tools are connected into it, and you're basically wiring up Claude to say, hey, here's that tool that you have access to. Now go do the thing that I want you to do with the video. In a way, it's editing, but it's more like offloading the editing to that tool, if you will. And it's just it knows how to explain this in a way that makes sense, but isn't like too technical either. So I got everything all connected up, like what they shared in this video, like, hey, And then I said, Hey, go add captions to this video.

8:28 Claude is going back to that do I add captions or subtitles And there are specific instructions for this is what you need to do. These are the commands you need to run. These are steps that you need to take to actually add those captions. And then Claude runs those specific sets of commands on that platform. And then the platform itself is generating the captions, placing them on the screen or the video. and says, Okay, done, like I It's essentially calling to a tool or calling to another quote, unquote agent and saying, Hey, go do this for me. Here's here's what you need to do. Here's how you do it. Go do it for me.

9:09 Marc Ronick: Okay, so then let's help people connect with it even What's the difference between using AI inside of a tool like descript or Riverside, versus using what you're explaining to us Claude code to control a larger editing workflow. Nick: So I would say, with Riverside, like there's a hard those platforms have to follow the limitations of that Riverside allows you to do, and how Riverside allows you to do it is like rigid. You don't have any flexibility there with doing something inside Claude.

9:55 You have essentially complete control over every aspect of. That, and it's all about kind of defining and setting up that playbook that I mentioned earlier with your set of rules. like Riverside has presets in and you click the preset that and then it pops them all in there, Marc Ronick: sure, Nick: but you're limited to the you, yeah, you can update fonts and you can do the stuff, but you're pretty much stuck with code. You have access to that file that says, Hey, these are the fonts you can select from. These are the animation presets that you can select from.

10:35 And you have that ability then to say, Okay, no, I want you to stick to my brand colors. These are the colors I want you to stick to. I want you to use these specific animations. And you can kind of wire that up however you want it to be. And it might sound complicated, but it's as simple as going into Claude and saying, hey, when we do captions, this is how I want you to do it. So you need to update your playbook, you need to update your instructions to specify. These are what we want to use, Marc Ronick: right? So it can be much more detailed and customized if you're going to do your editing with something like Claude code instead 100% Yeah, Nick: and that is kind of like the real power behind this. Because, I mean, it's hard to fathom, but your imagination at this point is kind of the limitation, Marc Ronick: yeah, Nick: like, as deep as you want to go into it, as as deep as you can go into it, like, it opens up a pretty big world. Marc Ronick: That statement about, you know, your imagination is your only limitation. I think that's how you put it.

11:42 And I mean, that is so true, and I'm experiencing that now with AI specifically. that I've got to push my get more out of AI. And I'm not even talking specifically about Claude code or AI editing, I'm noticing that I really have to push the limits of my imagination, because I'm seeing how limited it can be. And yeah, so that's why, what I'm trying to do is watch what other people are doing. How are they being creative, using these tools? And that's helping me. I'm getting there, but it's still a bit of a struggle, by the way, would somebody be open to I mean, I can do it, but I'm like somebody else to maybe Nick you can, since you used the term tide is just put in the chat here, what is a preset?

12:33 And I think that's a fair question, right? Like we got to consider that we've got all different levels of podcasters, level of editors, we got to address some of those things sometimes. So that's actually probably that could probably fall into our wheel of jargon. I should have had that on the ready to play it. But with that said, Nick, do you What is a preset? Nick: Yeah, so it's really just like a an option that you can select, like going on the captioning or the subtitle example that we had when you come into Riverside, usually, if you say you want to turn on subtitles, they're going to give you, like, I don't know how many options where you say, this is how I want the caption to look and be animated. So you click that little preset and it changes the font of the subtitles.

13:19 It changes the animation like maybe it pops the animation onto the screen, and maybe it's got, like, word by word highlighting inside the subtitle itself. And it's something that you just click the button, and all those settings are applied like that. You click that pretty set, and And that's where I think some of your limitation. A lot of that, I feel, is driven by these tools and platforms that we've used that have been amazing and super helpful. Where you click a button, boom, all these settings are applied to it automatically, past that. So we're using these tools, we're seeing what the tools can do and what they can't do, and then we're basically saying, well, Riverside can't do that, so I probably can't do that anywhere else.

14:07 Or if I want to do that somewhere else, then I have to get a master's degree in Adobe Premiere Pro and learn how to do it manually and with AI. That's not the case. We have the ability now to go beyond the limitations of what a lot of these tools are providing us. And that's the intimidating part. That's the part that it's hard to fathom what is possible when we've been so trained to of rules that we have to follow. This is what's possible, and this is what we can do, and we can't do anything beyond that. And stretching beyond that becomes a little difficult. But like you said, I do the same other people are creatively crap. Like, we can do that, right? Like, that's nuts. Marc Ronick: So I think, by the way, I know several people on stage here want to chime in, and I want to get to tide because we were answering her question about what our pre.

15:02 hand. So Todd, did you have a follow up? Nikki: Oh yeah, I thank you for the explanation. Nick, that's amazing, and it really did help me to understand it. And I was just going to provide a quick technique on sort of semi stimulating the imagination. It's something that's super small, but it works so well. I've never not seen it work, not in my own life, and in other people's lives who applied it. So when you're sitting at your computer or reading a book or listening to a podcast like this, if somebody has said something, or you've read something, or you see a new feature, whatever it may be, and I know it's tempting to keep pushing forward, and you want to keep pushing forward because you want to maintain a certain level of activity, because that's giving you the feeling of success, but take a moment to pause, and sometimes I'll if I'm listening to you guys talk, and one of you guys said something that is ruminating within me, I will turn the volume down to silence so I'm not hearing you guys anymore, and I'll take however long. It takes five minutes, 10 minutes, one minute, to think that really seep in. And then it's inevitable.

16:11 It's inevitable that an idea or something will come to me, and then I can take it a little farther after that. So I just wanted to say Marc Ronick: that I love that idea. Thank you for that. And very timely, because I am looking for all sorts of ways these days to get my mind moving I love that suggestion. I'm going to take that on another one that I've just recently learned. And this isn't necessarily to me. Another way I learned to just get your creative juices flowing is to create lists, lists about anything. Let me explain. What I saw in this particular video was the gentleman said, come up with a list of 10 lists that you could make.

16:55 Okay, so that's your first For example, 10 different podcasts I could make another one would be 10 different ways I could improve a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, right? Like literally lists about anything. And the idea isn't to try to come up with the best idea. The idea is just to come up with as many ideas as you can. And the purpose of this, it's training your brain to get creative when you want it to get creative. like going to the gym. It's training your brain. It's building that muscle in your brain to instead of just thinking, I've got to get an I've got a I've got creators block right now, and I don't know what to do. The idea here is to play, come up with random things, random ideas, save those lists and come back to them, because you might find something at some point that you're like, hey, this is something that actually could be something but, but the whole purpose is not to find the best ideas. It's to train your brain to come up with ideas whenever you need them.

18:05 So I'm just now starting to play with that as well. So I like where this conversation just went. Thank you for that, Nikki, appreciate it, and I'm going to go to Matt. in earlier, so it may. I don't know if it's relevant still or not? Yeah, see the melting emoji? All right, so I'll go to BC, because BC seems to have something more pressing, or at least more top of mind. Go for it. BC. BC Babbles: Yeah, so going back to presets real quick, and apologies, like a bit of a cold this morning, no problem. But I think what Nick was kind of dancing around without strictly saying it is that presets are changeable. So going back to captions on a video, when you choose a preset for captions, it may give you a pre designed combination of fonts, colors, transitions and font style, but you don't have to accept that preset combination.

18:58 You can go in and change a font or the color or the transition style if you prefer a different combination. So a preset gives us a nice pre designed combination of things that look good, typically, but we all have our own vibe, our own brand, our So you can still go in and change that preset to a custom version that fits what your style specifically is. Marc Ronick: Yeah, great points. Thank you. BC, yeah, I think that's an important point when we're talking about presets and trying to understand them better. So thank you for that. And I know I'm going to go to also know we're short on time And I wanted to ask Nick, going back to this idea of AI, quote, unquote, doing the editing for you.

19:42 Nick, what kind of editing tasks should AI probably handle right now? Like, what is it best for at this point? And, yeah, have you made any attempts yourself? Nick: Yeah, so I think really right now where the limitations kind of takes. In is AI, or at least in the Claude code space. Example, what we're talking access to. It can't cut your video. So if you have a an hour long video that you want to cut down to 30 minutes or 45 minutes or whatever, it can't do that. Specifically. I think that's where your descript and your Riverside, like those types of tools still very much are beneficial to you, but when it comes to adding elements to the screen, like captions or subtitles, adding B roll images, transition, sounds like those types of things, Claude. And really we're talking Claude, but really all these AI tools will have access to the skill sets to do those types of things.

20:46 So where I was, I mentioned it a little bit earlier, but I was messing with this yesterday, like the exact same setup that we watched in that video. I connected AI into that editing form video. And said, Okay, I want you to add captions to this. And it went through all of that platform. The platform is called remotion, for anyone who's interested and wants to look at it. It's it's free to access. But I basically told it, I want you to use remotion, and I want you to do this for me. documentation of that platform, got a good understanding of it, followed the instructions on how the captions, and then exported out the video with captions in it. And it wasn't perfect, but I didn't give it any kind of strict guidelines.

21:35 I Marc Ronick: just said, add Yeah. So, Nick: yeah. So now, at this point, like now that I see that it works, and I see how it works. I can go back to AI and say, Okay, we need to set strict do captions on a vertical, We can't have the captions extend beyond this width. We need to adjust the font size to be this. We need to make the colors this. This is how I want them to animate in. And then AI is essentially going to go back to those instructions is how we're going to do it. So then the next time, when I upload the next video and say, add captions to this, it's going are we doing this? We need this font, we need this size, we need this width. Here's everything we need to do, and it's going to all feed it to re motion.

22:25 And remotion is going to add those captions back into the tool. And like I said, that can be B roll that you want to add in. That could be images transitions. It can be pretty much anything that you want it to be, except for actually cutting your video up Marc Ronick: Cool. All right, yeah, thank you, Nick. Appreciate that, and appreciate you spending a little time on this. I know you have to jet here in a couple minutes, so thank you for watching the video, testing out what it was actually suggesting it does, and Appreciate you, Nick, yeah, go this. of given me a little bit of starting to do some content. So I might be coming out with a video talking a little bit about this and kind of showing because it's it is hard to explain, Marc Ronick: yeah, without Nick: actually seeing what's going on.

23:16 So I might end up recording a video and doing something kind of showing what it all looks like in real life, as opposed to just everyone imagining what it looks Marc Ronick: like. Yeah, and coming soon, I started Nick, with Matt bliss here on the audience, to do a special show, right? Because we're changing the name next week, all about really, all the different areas of AI in podcasting. And I'm emphasizing the word in podcasting right, because it is infiltrating our world as it is everyone else's world. And I think it's important for us to have some deep conversations around what that actually means today and what that might mean down the road.

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26:29 Go Ralph Estep Jr.: for I had two comments. Comment number one is, AI is good as it can be in doing editing is never going to listen to your show as a human being. So I don't think we're ever going to get to a place where there won't be a place for editors. So I think that's issue number one. Marc Ronick: And let me say to these past few years, as it's feel like we can never say I mean, you're right in the sense that it's it Podcast. I'm sorry, AI is never going to listen with a human ear. I can't argue that, but I do think over time. And I mean, let's talk about just for a moment.

27:10 Remember when video AI video years ago, and there was the eating spaghetti, right? And he looked apps. It looked like Will Smith, but it was like a realistic cartoon of Will Smith. His mouth got real big and it didn't really it looked like he was just shoveling in the spaghetti. And if you do that again today with the newer tools today, you almost can't tell if it's real or not, right? So my point is that the advancements are happening so quickly and so drastically that I feel like we can't ever say never, because we just don't know how advanced that this technology is going to Ralph Estep Jr.: get. The other thing I wanted to throw out there, sort of as a curve ball, is that I think AI is actually making us dumber. And we talked about innovation, we talked about imagination, but I honestly think AI is doing the opposite of that, because I think so many people use it as a crutch, so many people use it as a quick Hey, let me go find something that I actually think it's limiting us, and I think we've got to be careful that, because I find myself in that trap sometimes, rather than going and spending some time and researching a topic, I'll just pop in the chat GPT and say, give me the answer.

28:26 Here's the thing you need to understand. In a lot of ways, AI is trying to make us all sound the same, and we have to be careful of that. So I just want to throw that out as a counterpoint. One of the things about AI that worries me is it builds in a what I'll call a cultural bias, and that you have to toe the line with what everyone else thinks. Because AI is not going to give you stuff that is countercultural or or is push the limits at all. It's going to give you the common, mediocre middle of the road. And if we just accept that, I think we're actually going to lose creativity. And I just want to throw that out there mark, because I think it's easy to say, oh, and I'm not disputing anything you've said, By the way, I think AI is a great tool.

29:07 I use it every single day. It has made systems better. It's made my life easier, but I also do believe that it's made us a little dumber, and I think that we need to be aware of that and not allow AI to just take over our thoughts and take over our imagination. So thank you for letting me share that, just because, as I sit here and listen to this, I'm like, yeah, it's great, Marc Ronick: yeah. And look, I think that I agree with you in many cases here, and I think that that's because so many people currently are using AI just to have it spit out an answer. It asks, you know, we ask it a question, we give it a direction, and it's a lot of A lot of us are giving vague direction, and it's spitting out that mediocre response, and a lot of people are just copying and pasting. And I think that's what's making dumber. But I think it's the people that are more in tune with how this.

30:00 This tool works, that they that it might actually make them smarter, because it's making us think a lot more about how we're asking for the information, or how we're asking We got to be really smart to the AI. So in some ways, I think it can make us smarter. But the problem is that we do have seem to have a lazy society and Ralph Estep Jr.: discussion about the state of man, which is not for today's show, but you But I still, I'll push back on that a little bit mark, though, because as I understand it, and I'm by no means an expert, AI only has the information we've given it.

30:43 So AI is only going to have the information that it's been fed. So how, in the end, does it only has the information that Now maybe it does, because it maybe it allows for people that you wouldn't generally speak to I just worry about that. Marc Ronick: Go ahead, Alex, it's Alex: not making us smarter. It never, never was intended to do that. And you're right. You're absolutely right. Ralph, the problem is this, and it's coming back to podcasting. If you don't know what the original basis of what you're doing, if you don't know the history of what it is that you're trying to do, then you don't know where it's going to go, and when it does something wrong, you won't recognize it. And that's the issue with editing and the information, garbage in, garbage out, theory.

31:29 And that's a slippery slope, because once these AI algorithms start saying, Hey, this is the way a podcast is supposed to be edited, or whatever it is that we're trying to do when it comes cookie cutter and we've seen it before, like you. We've talked about this with when you do reviews of our your show notes and all this other stuff, if it has certain keywords in that it likes to do. So that's where it really kind of gets a slippery slope. And when it comes to our editors going to go away, yes, they're going away, but they're not going in the way, the sense of it's just the job is going to change.

32:11 It's going to be more like a checker more than it is an actual editor. I think unfortunately. I mean, just we were talking about this behind the scenes, it's happening to Disney right now, so that's a scary thing. The people that made Marvel are gone. And I know this isn't a podcast, but it's a creator issue. Yeah, and whole sectors are going to be eliminated, not just jobs sectors. And how are we going to as podcasters, address this, I don't know. Marc Ronick: Yeah, and a lot of companies are finding ways to blend both both AI and human. There are companies out there that their programmers that were programming, are now simply using AI to do the programming, and they're monitoring it. They're prompting it and prompting it and prompting it so they're finding this way of almost like humans are babysitting the AI.

33:09 It's still not the same kind of job, and maybe it won't be paid the same way as it used to be. But I do appreciate that some companies are finding ways to blend both together. But it is a serious problem. I am not trying to water down the problem, because I know it is serious. I'm going to go look this conversation I did want to, at some point, get into more general discussion on editing, and we'll see if we have time to get to that, because this has been a juicy conversation, and I know Matt has been drooling at chiming in here, so I want to give him an opportunity, and I know other people are here on stage that way. Alex: Aren't we done with the show because we couldn't fit Matt Damon, I mean Matt in, Marc Ronick: all right, so with Good morning, Matt. Thank you for waiting patiently. What did you want to add to all this? Matt: I can feel the Veiled thoughts where Matt could easily spend the next 22 minutes talking about all of these things as I've been talking about, I've been making notes for myself to prompt for when there's an appropriate time to talk about the things.

34:12 But I'm going to leave it to two things about AI stuff, the Ralph mentioning the idea that we're starting to get dumber, or we're like being lazy. The term that's often used these days is cognitive offloading, because it's a phenomenon we see among kids where they're doing making the AI do stuff so that they don't have to learn it. The thinly veiled version of this we see as an objection to education systems is that schools aren't teaching critical thinking. It's because this cognitive They're treating an LLM like their second brain. And I think that is a term that people who are concerned about this should keep in mind, because cognitive offloading the phrase if you don't use. It, you lose it, and especially young people with very plastic brains tired.

35:04 You might be getting pretty close to thinking about what I'm talking about here, or having seen it, but it's cognitive offloading. you're seeking more information about this stuff and not just trying to intuit for yourself. that AI isn't going to regress because that's happening We have certain smaller micro bubbles of confirmation and information in our small groups on social media where people have no idea what's going out on outside that bubble. It's just that AI is a very lazy place for humans to draw themselves to so that they can cognitively offload and spend less energy to find out information that they're happy with, instead of actually getting a critical or forming an I think people Mark, I think you're on the right track, but it is an optimistic view. Generally, we'll opt for the lazy option if they can preserve their energy.

36:06 But I like the way that you describe it, because it's what we should be doing in our approach to AI, when you talk about imagination and the most accurate words for what you're striving for and that's process, as opposed to offload don't have to worry about it. I think that podcasters, particularly, they know they They don't have time to do those things. They spread themselves too thin and don't put the effort in. So intention, deliberate work, having that unveiled moment you talked about Mark, I think, where you start to realize that there's more to using llms than just typing in what you want and and more creative with how you prompt and ask it things.

36:57 But with that freedom comes the need for you to be more specific and rigid and creative with the way that you prompt it. So learning, cognitive offloading, imagination, intention, optimism, all good things. I think I kept that pretty short. Marc Ronick: Hit it. Ralph, Jingle: epistemological, anti podian, multi factorial, slightly Tasmanian, yeah, dramatic, existential mate. It's all schematic, sesquipedalian, mildly Australian, cynical, critical, still conversational, obfuscation, discombobulation, big words, small patience for the situation.

37:39 Marc Ronick: Mildly Matt: Australian is absolutely right there. I don't think you hit Aussie close enough, but I'll pay that. Marc Ronick: There's Matt's And yeah, thank you, Matt. I really appreciate that big breakdown, and I know we have in as well. So let me keep it moving, if you don't mind. And I'm going to go to Junaid, because I know he was chiming in in the chat while you were sharing, so I feel like it's appropriate to go to him first and then, bc I know you've been waiting patiently, so we'll go to you next. Go ahead, Junaid. Good morning. Junaid: Good morning. This is a powerful topic, and yes, we are heading in a direction where the movie Idiocracy kind of laid out, hey, people are getting dumber because of these systems in place. But the reason for that is because the education system has been being watering down.

38:31 There was a study out that since the 70s, every generation was getting smarter, right? Every generation was getting smarter until the 2010s unfortunately, what happened was we learned the from books, which increased our reading level to a reading level knowledge of six year olds, so they cannot even understand books that explain it clearly what's happening and what's coming down the pike. I listed four books in here, Fahrenheit 451, The Hunger Games, the Henry's tale and George Orwell's 1984 talk exactly where we already are in 2020 600% written out. This is what's going to happen if we don't pay attention. And because the education system has been going downhill, we've introduced technology which disconnected the student from the reader, from actually adhering to the knowledge that they're learning.

39:43 And now we have AI systems. It's so important that we need to go back to these books. We need to raise the level of education. But how is that going to happen when funding is being pulled off? So again, totally off. You know, it's on the tangent of what's actually. Happening, and what's where we actually can take is by educating the people around us. Thank you. Yeah, Marc Ronick: thank you, Junaid. And again, I'm just going to keep this moving, because you all are making excellent points. I don't need to comment on everyone, and I want to make sure we hear from everyone. So BC Thank you for waiting patiently. What did you want to add to all this? BC Babbles: Yeah, good. I think a big element we forget sometimes is that for a long time, fans of creators and for talent have long demanded that those same people exist beyond the screen. We've got conventions, we've got concerts, we've got other big events in which we demand that in person interaction, and when that essential in person interaction can actually happen. So I think unless we're coming to a point where we as a people are looking to give up that in person opportunistic connection completely, then I think that's also a pretty big inhibitor for what AI can do.

41:03 I know mentioned a little while ago that some of the songs I have on rotation for my Spotify, I realized are AI artists, but I can never go and meet those artists, but I can go and meet hailstorm, Evanescence, any of these other real people who create this incredible stuff. So I think that's still a pretty big element to keep in mind as well. Marc Ronick: Wow. I never would have it wasn't on my bingo card that hailstorm would be mentioned twice in a week on the podcasting morning chat. But here we are. Thank you. VC, BC Babbles: here for Marc Ronick: Ralph. Did you want to respond to any of that, since he was answering your question, Ralph Estep Jr.: yeah. And I will just take a counterpoint. If I'm entertained, I don't person in person, really. And, yeah, I mean, Marc Ronick: look, I say it like people don't care, like for me, this somebody entertains me a lot, and I've, like, really them. I do want to meet them, but I know there are people like you that Ralph Estep Jr.: don't I'll give you a great example of this.

42:03 So Kenny Rogers was somebody I like to meet. Well, my dad ended up opening up these stores called Kenny Rogers, roasters, chicken. So I got to meet Kenny Rogers. Well, he was a dud in person, like he was a total dud. I got nothing from him. So for me it was like big deal. Yes, I still enjoyed his music, but he was actually kind of a dud to me, so that's all I'm saying. Marc Ronick: Interesting. Now, wait a minute, I just have to pause here. Wait, Alex, were you gonna say something? Alex: No, I'll let you finish your thought. All Marc Ronick: right, I was just gonna say that. Did you say your dad helped open those Kenny Kenny Rogers? Ralph Estep Jr.: My dad was a local franchisee. He actually had six Kenny Rogers roaster stores at one point when I was in college. So it was great for me in college, because I got to eat for free. Dude, that's fantastic, but yeah, and it was interesting, but my whole point was, and going back to what BC said, what I had said in the chat was, are we getting to a point where content will just be created by bots? Because there's a slippery slope here, because we get to a point where it's like, Well, I'm just gonna have an idea. I'll put it into my chat bot, and the chat can create the chat we can the chat can create the video, the chat can create the audio.

43:06 At what point do we as humans become useless? Marc Ronick: No, I think that's the big fear. Ralph Estep Jr.: And I'm not but at what point do we allow humanity and say, well, whatever going to do so many people are living like that now, whatever their chat GBT says is truth. They don't care about talking to another human being. I battle this in my accounting practice. Every day, people come in to me and they say, Ralph, but chat GBT told me this. I'm like, chat BT is full of crap. It doesn't make any sense in the real world, but that's what chat GP told you. But they're like, Well, why would I pay you to do my taxes when I can feed it into the chat? GPT, I'm like, Okay, well, go ahead and do that, and for the most part, it's probably correct, but if you got that that's what worries me. Like, just to be blunt this whole discussion, what worries me is, if we take this approach of, AI is great, Ai is fantastic, okay, but when do we lose our humanity? Now I've said enough, so I will peace out. Ralph, Marc Ronick: all right, Matt, wants to reply. Go ahead, Matt, Matt: what you're saying is right, but the description, like our approach to AI, needs nuance I mean, part of the problem is where humans who developed a technology that's currently hijacking human cognition and ability, and now as humans, we have to solve and potentially behaviorally manipulate humans to make the right decision when they wouldn't make the right decision.

44:29 So this is like a constantly nested recursive problem that will slowly iterate on itself, but if you want to appeal to people doing the thing that you'd prefer them to do, what we naturally want to do is describe a small problem and extrapolate it to the biggest issue, and that in the AI space is the Doomers versus the there's like a play on words for chat GPT to do their taxes and. So we're going to lose our humanity. I think you need to for you specifically, I would say you can use chat GPT if you want, but that's like dropping all of your money on red 51 or whatever at the roulette table right. Now.

45:14 That's not a mark against you, but I sometimes worry that we're losing a lot of nuance when we're trying to catch everyone with something that covers everything, to try and illustrate a danger that's there is a huge issue coming necessarily realized yet. It's okay to get into the description, and if we don't talking to doesn't understand, bring them to the table, or appeals to them to be able to do And the problem is, the utility of AI these days is just making it impossible to bring people to that conversation, because you're taking things away from them.

45:58 Humans are inherently lazy, and it's because there was no time for leisure. Now we've got full leisure, but we're in a unique pivoting point at the moment where we can start to address those things through the nuance. If we all turn a bunch of little going to move the ship. But if we're all trying to turn one big wheel at the same time, it's a whole lot harder. So I agree with you very much so that AI has the potential to bring about the demise of humanity, because we got to realize where we are in podcasting. The editors may not go away, but their job will be very different with AI advancing as much as it does.

46:41 I think there's a soapbox under my feet. I'm going to step Marc Ronick: off it. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate that. And yeah, I'll let me wrap this up. I think a big takeaway today is that AI and AI editing is already changing what's possible for podcasters, especially for creators handling audio, video captions, clips, social content all on their own, right? These are tools that can save us time. find strong moments, and make overwhelming, right? But AI still needs direction taste right judgment, it can help polish an episode, but it can't replace a good idea or a clear structure or a good conversation or a real reason for a listener to care, right?

47:34 So the opportunity is to treat AI like part of your production team. Let it help you with the repetitive work. And I know John said something about this in the chat too. Let it speed up your workflow. Let it help to open up your hands on the decisions that Experience, what gets cut, what stays what feels organic or natural, what serves the audience that all still matters. AI and AI, editing gets better. The best podcasters will be the ones that use the technology to support their voice, voices to improve their message, to protect the human connection that makes people want to keep listening to a podcast, so keep that in mind, and key also keep in mind we are going to have an actual editing conversation here on the show. We will do that maybe as soon as next week. We'll see, but I'll keep you posted, but we I really do want to have a conversation more about editing specifically, but this one just got too juicy to change gears like that. And finally, I want to just say if today's show felt helpful to you, or if this show in general is one that you care please consider supporting us by chat, comm slash support, and

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