512. The One Question That Keeps Listeners Hooked

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Marc Ronick: Good morning

podcasters.

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Today is Thursday, May, the
seventh, 2026, and
today the

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loud, quiet podcast gives us a
chance to unpack


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conversational flow, opening
hooks, co host, dynamics, story

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detours and endings that do
more than wrap things up.

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Good
morning again.
Podcasting morning chat.

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Thank you.
Oh,
podcasting morning show,

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darn it, I did it right
yesterday.


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Thank you for being here.
I am your host, Marc Ronick and

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currently on stage with me, my
co hosts, we have DR Fay, Ralph

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Estep, Alex Ballish, Jonathan
Howard, Sid Meadows and BC


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Babbles.
You can learn more about all of

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these people over
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dig into today's evaluation,

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which I'm really excited about,
we want to remind you about our

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Spotlight series.
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episode, share what stood out
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entries.
Thank you to those who have and

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I want to encourage you
please
do this.

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This is totally free.
There are no strings
attached.

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We just want to find different
ways that we can
support our

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community members, and we think
this is a great way
to do it.

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And I'm going to encourage my co
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This goes for you guys too.
This, there's no there are no


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exceptions to this little series
that we're doing here.

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So if you
guys want to do it,
Ralph and I are going to

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withhold hours for
the time
being.

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A you're learning all about the
podcasting morning show by

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being here, so no need.
And Ralph's a
producer, he

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gets his spotlight every so
often here on the show
too.

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So we're going to first allow
all of the rest of you to
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some of that spotlight as well.
We're not trying to hog it


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all.
We want to share that spotlight

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with you.
Now I'd love
to get in to it,

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and I'm kind of rushing to get
into it, because
historically,

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when we do our evaluation
series, we tend to go
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over our hour.
So we're going to try to do this

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efficiently while still making
it valuable and entertaining for

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you.
So today, we're evaluating the

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loud, quiet, empty nest
living
hosted by community members Rick

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and Clancy Denton.

The show's built around life in

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the empty nest.
Stage, Rick and
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married.
They raised kids together, and

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now they're
figuring out what
life looks like when the house

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is quieter.

The kids are older, and the

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parenting role starts changing

the submitted episode.

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We can't review all of the
episodes, so
we asked that

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they submit one and Rick and
Clancy chose, still
a student,

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still our responsibility.
Empty Nesters
debate episode

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130 and before I go any further,
if you want to
hear the whole

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episode that we're going to be
breaking down
today, you can

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use the link in the show notes
or go to
podcasting morning

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show.com/loud quiet.
Anyway, the episode
centers

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around a very relatable
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Their son, Tanner,
who's in
grad school, had a tire issue

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right before spring break
in
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He doesn't ask Rick and Clancy
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spark a conversation between
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friendly debate, and it's all
over when your child is still a

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student, how much
responsibility?

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Still belongs to
you, and in
this tic responsibility trying

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to get
Ralph's ears to perk up
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Today, we're going to
listen
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episode.
I have clips
to play for you

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and talk about what the show
does well, where
the structure

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could be stronger, and how Rick
and Clancy can make
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listener experience even
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But we will not be
biased.
We will still point out the

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good, the bad.
I can't say
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I really don't believe there was
anything ugly
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and for that matter, nothing
bad, but maybe
room for

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improvement as well.
So we're going to discuss things

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like the clarity of their
opening, how quickly the episode

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sets up.
The main question their

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chemistry as CO hosts, how well
the conversation moves from a

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practical situation into

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We'll talk about episode flow.
We'll talk
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We'll talk about the how they
end the show
with the CTA.

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So here's where I think I want
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I'm going
to ask the room
here, and I'm looking here, just

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about every
single person on
stage filled out our evaluation

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form that I
ask our team to
fill out.

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It's really just a way to get us

thinking about the show so

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that we can have a constructive
conversation here.

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And like I said, vast majority
on stage has
already done

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this.
So the question I have for you,

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did you
feel like you're
understood who this podcast is

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for, when you
pressed play on
the episode, when you heard even

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the whole
episode, do you feel
like it was understood who this

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podcast is
for?
Would anyone like to kick?

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Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah, it was for

me.

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Yeah.
Tell right from the beginning,

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because this is the
very
conversation that my wife and I

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have almost on a daily basis.
Marc Ronick: Okay, Ralph Estep

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Jr: I have a 24 year
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out of the house, and
they
know mom is the easy mark, so

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they always go to her, and I

find out afterwards, oh, we

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bought that for them.
Oh,
fantastic.

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So it was very much directed at
me, so it made it
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difficult for me to to under I
mean, I was so engulfed
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that it was hard for me to think
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because I was so engaged in the
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this is like my wife and I on a
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So it grabbed me
right away.
And then, of course, you know,

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you asked, you said,
My
Financial ears pop perked up.

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I had some real strong ideas

about how to do it better, but

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that was, that was a commentary,

not more so on connection

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thing.
Marc Ronick: Well, maybe at some

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point, if we have some time,
we'll hear that Ralph, because


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as we dig in, I think that
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visible, more and more center
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to address some of it too.
So if we have some time, we'll

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do
that.
In the meantime, let's check in

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with Sid.
Go ahead.


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Sid, good morning.
Sid Meadows: Good morning,


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everybody.
So like Ralph, I am the ideal

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client of this
podcast.
I have two kids that are both

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away at college, and I
happen
to know Rick and Clancy

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personally.
Met them at Empower
podcasting

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too.
And, yeah, I mean, I knew

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exactly who it was
for and
what this is about, for sure.

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And to Ralph's point, Oh,
I
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It's really funny how they call
her
when they call me Marc

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Ronick: and Sid, even if
you
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personally, you still feel the

same way that it indicates

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wealth.
Sid Meadows: I mean, empty


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nesting.
I mean, I post about Adventures

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of empty nesting,
right?
And when we on our Facebook

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page, when we go to our
travel
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So, yeah, I mean, easily, this
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Even if I didn't know that, I
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There's a discoverability issue,
I think, with the title that I'm

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putting my that we can talk
about later.

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But yes, I would
have thought,
because this conference, we've

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had this
conversation.
So I think we have a different

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opinion.
Maybe it's
just a different

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way we parent.
The key here, this will hit a


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nerve with you.
This episode, I think, hits a

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nerve with you on
your
parenting style.

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Marc Ronick: Yeah, and I see

Ralph is nodding his head

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emphatically, okay, yeah.
And
you know what I do want to

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do that.
I'm going to keep things


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moving.
And I know that historically,

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we've gone back
and forth when
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branding, quote,
unquote, of
the podcast we're evaluating.

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And I want to do it
first, and
I want to do it efficiently.

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And since Sid
brought up the
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Let's start there.
So before we listen to
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we'll spend just a few minutes
on the packaging of the
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So first, let's talk about the
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title.
And we'll start with the series

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name, the loud quiet is
the
full name.

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Well, actually the full name is
the loud,
quiet, empty nest

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living.
So the loud, quiet is the name

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of the
podcast, their subtitle
that follows, empty nest living.

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Now,
Sid, you.
Let's go to you.

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You said that you think there
could
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problem because of the name.
Let's hear
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And I know several people agree
with you,
by the way, Sid

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Meadows: yeah, I don't know.

That I understand the name, the

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loud, quiet into, you know, my

defense, I never asked where the

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name came from, and so I don't

know where the name came from.

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I think I could probably try to
decipher it, but I don't not

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thinking that way.
My issue with
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went into the apple search bar
and I typed empty
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empty nester, there was no show.
Couldn't find it
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But when I typed empty nest
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because it's in their title,
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And it showed up like
number
four on the shows, and several

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other episodes showed up
when
you looked at the episode only

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page.
I think about myself,
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I find out things or try to
discover things for empty


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nesters to do, or life about
empty nesting, those are the


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keywords that I use.
I don't use empty tests.

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So I just I've
never typed or
never said we're doing empty

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nests, or we're in
an empty
nest, right?

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I use one empty nester empty
nesting, and
I think those are

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stronger keywords.
So for a
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issue, I think I might consider
trying to add
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that you show up under those was
it?

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I believe
you could do
research to the most powerful

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keywords, right?

But I would probably look at

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using one of those other

keywords rather than empty nest.

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Marc Ronick: I yeah, I had no

idea you were going to go in

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that direction.
I thought you
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really pick apart the loud
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connect with, as far as what its
meaning is, right?

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It's that it
feels very loud
in the house because it's so

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quiet, because
you're so used
to having multiple kids running

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around,
driving them around,
doing all the things, and then

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all of a
sudden, it's very
quiet, and that feels very loud.

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Sid Meadows: Thank you.
Thank
you.

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That makes dude, I've said that
so many times because I was


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empty nesting, and I'm like,
It's quiet, like the house.


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There's no patter, pitter patter
of feet anywhere anymore.

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So
now, like when you said
that, I went, Oh, wow.

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Again, now, but
again, that's
not an I'm gonna search, right?

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So if I'm an
empty nester or a
new empty nester trying to

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figure out how
to maneuver
through life without your kids

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being at home, those
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words that I am going to type

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into the search bar to try
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Ronick: Yeah, and just so
you
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they hired me as their

consultant.

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That was one of the first
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Are you sure you want to go with
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searching
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And they were very sure.

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They were adamant.
No, we're not
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They a, they really like the
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And B, they named their book

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that, I think that's
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advice givers, we might

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Clancy added that tagline.
And to Sid, to your point, yeah,

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I
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But you're right, if I'm going

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So they could simply change that
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living, and then boom, then they
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great advice.
I appreciate that.

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if you have something to add to
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Sid and I are talking about,

I'll come to you.

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But I really want to keep this
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because I have lots of

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clips to play, so Ralph Estep
Jr: I would just
flip it.

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I would flip the third word you
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client, the loud quiet as the
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I would just flip it, because I

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would still allow
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book, name
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If
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Fay: I agree I would flip
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they named this after their

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Another book they're not going
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podcast name when the new book
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Marc Ronick: So, but I think it
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packaging, right?
Like maybe
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might be about something totally
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Who
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this chapter of their life,

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podcasts with their book titles,
yeah, D.R.

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Fay: and I personally think

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improved upon, because usually

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third book, and it just would be

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want to say the word generic,
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that's more encompassing all the
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art, and I
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now on,
because it's more
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thing I
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be some
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word either.
I
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so mouth says glory, and guess I

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something that moves it out of
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anybody wants to go to
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Morning
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You can check out the video

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feeds.
I'm sharing
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cover image right now.
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Fay: Yeah, so that's,
that's
what I have to say.

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little Alex Ballish: bit there.
Yeah,
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It's, it's hard, because when
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something.
You put all you put all your

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eggs in that
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that the title, Ralph
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they're going with it,
they
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there.
So, you know, at
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the day, let's get to the next
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Marc Ronick: Yeah, right,

Jonathan, I saw you came off

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mic.
I want to give you the
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fine.
I personally think that the it

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stands out in their in
their
niche of things like so when you

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search empty minesters

podcast, cover art stands out.

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It's bright, it's bold.
I
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And I think it, you know, it
says all
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to say on it, Marc Ronick: Yep,
I agree with
you.

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I think it's eye catching, for
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I think it stands out
in a sea
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And I Yeah, and it's like you
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It has everything you need to
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show is about.
So yeah, I'm with you
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Jonathan.
All right, I want to get to

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quickly the
episode title.
Okay, so that episode title, of

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course, now
I've lost it in
because I was trying to do too

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many things at
once.
Here it is, the episode title,

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still a student, still
our
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How do we feel?
Quickly?

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Dr, I'll come to
you.
How do you feel about that

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episode title?
D.R.

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fine.

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It says exactly what the show is
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I was trying to
retitle it in
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couldn't come up with
anything
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Yeah, so I it's fine.
Marc Ronick: I think especially

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when you think about their
offer, yeah, it's perfect, Alex,

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especially with their
audience, that they're gonna get

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it.
Alex Ballish: What did Ralph?


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Ralph was like, ready to start
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title.
I mean, honestly, you know, this

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is a struggle that
everybody
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whether they're, you know,

doesn't matter what age you're

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always dealing with it.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, yep.

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All
right, let's keep things
moving.

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Sid Meadows: Have a

recommendation real Marc Ronick:

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quick.
Okay, go
ahead.

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Sid Meadows: Sid, read the title

again.

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Marc Ronick: Oh, just, just here

it is, still a student, still

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our responsibility.
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by the way, I was
on it goes
on to say empty nesters debate.

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Sid Meadows: Okay, I thought I

heard you say, still my

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responsibility, and I wasn't

looking at the title, but my

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Yeah, so we're good.
It uses the
word our hour,

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Marc Ronick: yes, Sid Meadows:
so that's good.

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Marc Ronick: Okay, cool, cool.

Got it all right.

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So this first clip, let me do
this.

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This first
clip.
This is the opening of the

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episode where he can Clancy.

Start by thanking listeners,

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because the show has officially
passed 10,000 downloads and

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this happened last month.
That's a
meaningful milestone,

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and it's a nice community
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Let me play it, and then let's
talk about it Clip: this week on

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the loud
quiet, still a
student, still our

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responsibility.
Empty
Nesters debate.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to
the loud, quiet.


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Hey, before we get into today's
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you.
Thank you, because we just

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received notice that we have

gone over 10,000 downloads.

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And while we say we've gone over
it,
it's actually you, you the

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listener, you the viewer, you're

the ones that are watching

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this, you're the ones that are

listening to this.

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And we are so appreciative that
this little
idea that started

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as something just for Clancy and
me to stay
connected has

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become, well, something that you
actually care
about you enjoy

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and as a part of your weekly
rhythm.

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And we thank
you all for
allowing us to hit that

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milestone.
Yeah, we do.

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We
really appreciate it.
And you know, for we are, I.

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Well into
March, and as we
talked about last week, March

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Madness is
going on.
It is currently on our TV

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downstairs, while we are

taking out stuff away from the

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game.
We are taking the time to


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record, because we know there
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So we thank you for that.

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This week, we wanted to talk
about
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children.
We have, we have talked about

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that
topic quite a bit, and we
had a call from our son Tanner

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this
week, and his tire was
had a slow leak.

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Marc Ronick: Okay, so how do you

feel this opening went for you

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as a listener, how did how did

it feel for you?

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And I'm going to go to BC first,
because I saw
he raised his

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hand as the clip was playing.
So go for it.

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BC,
what are your thoughts?
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here, not an undergrad student,
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perspective, I don't have that,
but I don't know if like


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undergrad would be quite the
time.

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good to go, per se, considering

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the market and whatnot.
But I do
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provided this kind of
foundational story, you
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where it's kind of like one of
those things, where it
can

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happen at any time, but it's
happening now that they're in


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grad school been kind of out
there for a while, and what


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prompts the question, are we
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on ourselves as parents, or is
this the time to make sure that

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this kid can fly on his own?
I also wanted to say earlier

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with
the title of the episode,
I kind of wish they would have

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gone all
caps with the first
still to kind of be like, still

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a
student, right, still a
responsibility, right to kind of

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reinforce the grad student
part.

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Because, again, I don't know

about undergrad if how you feel

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about that point in their lives,

if you were to, like, if

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you're ready to push them out of
the
nest at that point, but my

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caveat, Marc Ronick: okay, so
fair, and
this is the

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advantage slash disadvantage of
listening to the
whole

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episode, because in that intro,
they didn't really set


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anything up yet, other than
share with us that they hit


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10,000 and that they were
grateful for it, right?

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So I'm
curious, the main
episode topic doesn't fully

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arrive until
about, really a
minute in, right?

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Because they were about a

minute through the whole Thank

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you before they even teased what

this was going to be about,

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and even that tease that
followed
the 10,000 downloads,

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it really wasn't enough yet for
me to,
like, sink my teeth

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into it and understand, as a
fellow empty
nester, what

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about supporting our kids like
it's not enough
context For me

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yet, and when we hear talk about
often get to the
point at the

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very beginning, tell us why we
should be
listening to this.

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And that didn't happen.
So, yeah, I'll
just jump ahead

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instead of try to pull it out of
everybody.

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I
think that's a problem,
right?

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I think that it's important to

share the milestone.

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I think that is something that
that
helps you connect and

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bond with your audience.
But I think we
did it a little

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too soon.
I think Rick and Clancy wanted

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to
do would would have
benefited, or really, their

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audience would
have benefited,
doing it a little bit later,

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maybe after
they've really set
up the show.

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Now, Ralph, I know see you

nodding your head, and I saw you

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raise your hand Ralph Estep Jr:
Absolutely.

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I
think they lost out on a
strategic thing.

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They could have
went right to
the story.

432
00:23:25,930 --> 00:23:28,646
Hey, we got this call from our
son the
other day.

433
00:23:28,646 --> 00:23:31,532
I think that would have set the
table so much
better.

434
00:23:31,532 --> 00:23:33,374
That kind of stuff.
About 10,000 downloads.

435
00:23:33,374 --> 00:23:36,316
I
actually would put that at
the end of the episode.

436
00:23:36,316 --> 00:23:39,028
I think
that's for the true
believers, your people who are

437
00:23:39,028 --> 00:23:40,972
in there,
because they're
going to listen to the whole

438
00:23:40,972 --> 00:23:43,300
thing anyway, and
that's the
people you really want to say,

439
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:45,504
hey, thank you for
this.
But at the front end, I would

440
00:23:45,504 --> 00:23:47,964
have got right into the
story,
because the tension would have

441
00:23:47,964 --> 00:23:49,977
started immediately.
You
said, Oh, I got to hear

442
00:23:49,977 --> 00:23:52,120
this, because this happened to
us last
week.

443
00:23:52,239 --> 00:23:54,339
Marc Ronick: Yeah.
And I like
that.

444
00:23:54,339 --> 00:23:56,277
They first start with the setup,
right?

445
00:23:56,277 --> 00:23:59,065
They didn't just
say, Hey,
thanks for the 10,000 they first

446
00:23:59,065 --> 00:24:01,155
said on.
And they do
this on all their

447
00:24:01,155 --> 00:24:04,075
episodes, they say, Hey, on this
episode of The
loud, quiet

448
00:24:04,075 --> 00:24:07,204
we're discussing, and they say
that episode title,
I think

449
00:24:07,204 --> 00:24:10,442
that they should dig in deeper
after they do that like I


450
00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:13,679
think it works to say that what
the episode title is, then give

451
00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:15,569
us more.
You know, it's Rick's voice.

452
00:24:15,569 --> 00:24:17,459
He, you know, you could
say
Clancy.

453
00:24:17,459 --> 00:24:21,053
And I get into a big debate
about whether or not we
should

454
00:24:21,053 --> 00:24:25,979
still be paying for our students
things when they're now
a grad

455
00:24:25,979 --> 00:24:29,809
in grad school, right?
Just even that alone might give

456
00:24:29,809 --> 00:24:32,969
you just enough.
I could see Ralph and Sid who

457
00:24:32,969 --> 00:24:35,012
have said they
are so relate
to this content.

458
00:24:35,012 --> 00:24:38,398
I could see them lean in,
leaning
in right away when you

459
00:24:38,398 --> 00:24:42,221
set it up that way, whereas,
opposed to,
if you're a new

460
00:24:42,221 --> 00:24:44,504
listener, it's cool.
You might be like, Oh,
this is

461
00:24:44,504 --> 00:24:46,119
cool.
A lot of people are downloading

462
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,529
this show,
right?
But you're not interested yet.

463
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:51,939
You don't really, you may
not
really care that they've hit

464
00:24:51,939 --> 00:24:54,627
10,000 downloads.
You'll care
once they hook

465
00:24:54,627 --> 00:24:57,669
you, once you feel like they are
your people.


466
00:24:57,677 --> 00:25:00,073
So, yeah, just a little thought.
There is.

467
00:25:00,073 --> 00:25:02,653
Does anyone else want
to chime
in at all?

468
00:25:02,653 --> 00:25:05,012
Okay, Jonathan, go ahead, yeah.
And
then we'll go to Sid.

469
00:25:05,012 --> 00:25:07,280
I Jonathan Howard: just wanted
to
say and kind of touched on

470
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,240
it.
Need a hook right at the


471
00:25:09,248 --> 00:25:12,325
beginning of and they needed
some more hooks throughout the


472
00:25:12,333 --> 00:25:15,900
episode as well, just to kind of
give it structure, but right at

473
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:19,160
the beginning that I felt like
they needed a hook to tell me


474
00:25:19,168 --> 00:25:22,130
what the episode is about, to
get me interested in the episode

475
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:25,016

so that I actually want to
listen Marc Ronick: Fair enough.

476
00:25:25,016 --> 00:25:26,720
Go
ahead.
Sid, Sid Meadows: all right, can

477
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,220
you
hear me, Mark?
Marc Ronick: I sure can.

478
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:31,820
Sid Meadows: So I love today on
the loud, quiet, I love that

479
00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:33,335
hook, right?
I love that or that
setup,

480
00:25:33,335 --> 00:25:35,056
right?
Today on the loud quiet, Clancy

481
00:25:35,056 --> 00:25:39,428
and I are
debating, when do we
stop paying for our students

482
00:25:39,428 --> 00:25:42,180
while they're
in college or
something like that, right?

483
00:25:42,180 --> 00:25:46,090
And so I really
like that,
because it does tell you at the

484
00:25:46,090 --> 00:25:47,870
very, very beginning
what are
they going to be debating.

485
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:50,880
Because we know that
it's a
bit of a debating show, right?

486
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,079
And talking back and
forth.
I also think I don't like the

487
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,460
use of the term we've

somewhere it's not in the

488
00:25:57,460 --> 00:26:00,153
episode till later, but I don't
like the use of the term of

489
00:26:00,153 --> 00:26:03,797
grad student, in my mind as an
empty
nester, there's no

490
00:26:03,797 --> 00:26:06,444
distinction between being a
undergrad
student and a grad

491
00:26:06,444 --> 00:26:07,980
student.
They are still a student.

492
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:10,140
That's my
mind.
This may go to parenting, right?

493
00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:11,680
Marc Ronick: Yeah, Sid Meadows:
but in my mind,
there's still

494
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,180
a student.
So I would not distinguish the

495
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:14,940
two.

But the thing that I think was

496
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:17,460
missed if I was a brand new

listener, because I have

497
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:20,480
listened to this show before,

but if I was a Brander, I would

498
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,700
be lost as to who they are,

because not introduce themselves

499
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:29,480
whatsoever, you assume, and you
come to this show episode 130

500
00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:32,726
that you know who they are,

there was no introduction.

501
00:26:32,726 --> 00:26:35,660
Hey, I'm Rick plank.
See, we've been
married for 30

502
00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:38,918
years, and we're recently empty
nesting, and
we're going to be

503
00:26:38,918 --> 00:26:41,752
talking to you all about the
life of an empty
nester or

504
00:26:41,752 --> 00:26:44,425
something to that effect, right?
At least, tell me
who you are.

505
00:26:44,425 --> 00:26:46,248
There was no introduction.
Mine's really
short.

506
00:26:46,248 --> 00:26:48,434
Hey, I'm sinned as I'm your
host.

507
00:26:48,434 --> 00:26:52,312
I just really quick,
but I
think there's could benefit from

508
00:26:52,312 --> 00:26:54,520
tell me who you
are,
especially my brand new

509
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,680
listener, because you kind of

just jump right into the

510
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,950
content.
Marc Ronick: I appreciate that


511
00:26:58,958 --> 00:26:59,796
suggestion.
Sid, yeah.

512
00:26:59,796 --> 00:27:02,494
And I also appreciate what you
said,
like, what how you do it

513
00:27:02,494 --> 00:27:03,996
on your show.
It's real quick.

514
00:27:03,996 --> 00:27:07,097
It's one
line.
It's just a way to set up so

515
00:27:07,097 --> 00:27:10,548
that new listeners really
have
a sense of who they're listening

516
00:27:10,548 --> 00:27:11,988
to.
I think that's
really

517
00:27:11,988 --> 00:27:13,916
important.
Thank you for that one.

518
00:27:13,916 --> 00:27:16,632
Sid, all right, where
shall we
go?

519
00:27:16,632 --> 00:27:20,157
Let's you know, one interesting
thing about the
intro also is

520
00:27:20,157 --> 00:27:24,029
really as far as the setup goes.
The clip I want
to play next

521
00:27:24,029 --> 00:27:28,191
is where the story turns into a
reason to keep
listening.

522
00:27:28,191 --> 00:27:33,105
Clancy asks a question, and I
think that's
really the hook,

523
00:27:33,105 --> 00:27:35,133
right?
So, yeah, I'm trying to decide


524
00:27:35,141 --> 00:27:38,037
whether or not I want to play it
first or set it up more.

525
00:27:38,037 --> 00:27:40,725
But I'm
just going to play it.
Let's get into it.

526
00:27:41,385 --> 00:27:54,990
Clip: I have a history of having

tire fetish, tires and you

527
00:27:55,050 --> 00:28:00,304
cannot lie, even big.
No, rims
are big, yeah.

528
00:28:00,304 --> 00:28:03,864
Okay, anyways, we're not talking
about me here.


529
00:28:03,872 --> 00:28:09,359
Okay, so this brought about a
little bit of discussion between

530
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,455

us.
So we wanted to see if that

531
00:28:13,455 --> 00:28:17,895
resonated with the name y'all

and stay tuned to see, yeah,

532
00:28:17,955 --> 00:28:20,199
what did we buy the tire?
Did we
buy the tire?

533
00:28:20,199 --> 00:28:21,995
What?
What did we decide, and how did

534
00:28:21,995 --> 00:28:25,050
we get to
that decision?
And let's, let's start with this

535
00:28:25,050 --> 00:28:28,695
by saying we
were not asked to
buy the tire.

536
00:28:28,695 --> 00:28:30,683
There was no request that was

made.

537
00:28:30,683 --> 00:28:33,870
So this is really yours and my
internal discussion, not
that

538
00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:37,350
we even thought of it that way,
but of supporting your
adult

539
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:39,936
kids Yes.
And I think we brought some

540
00:28:39,936 --> 00:28:43,840
assumptions yes
into this,
because my knee jerk reaction

541
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,547
was, well, that sucks,
and it
does suck, yeah, but it sucks.

542
00:28:48,547 --> 00:28:50,694
Good luck.
Yeah, that's
what savings is

543
00:28:50,694 --> 00:28:53,818
for.
Marc Ronick: Yeah.

544
00:28:53,818 --> 00:28:55,465
So I'll come
to you in a
second.

545
00:28:55,465 --> 00:28:58,438
This was the other part I was
hesitating to
share before

546
00:28:58,438 --> 00:29:01,952
playing the clip, and I'm glad I
waited this whole
thing that

547
00:29:01,952 --> 00:29:06,200
Rick adds in that Tanner never
actually asked them
to pay for

548
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,790
it.
That makes that makes the

549
00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:12,648
dilemma more
interesting,
because now this isn't just

550
00:29:12,648 --> 00:29:15,126
about helping a kid.

It's about assumptions.

551
00:29:15,126 --> 00:29:19,044
It's about boundaries and money
and
adulting and how parents

552
00:29:19,044 --> 00:29:23,208
decide when or when they should
or
shouldn't step in, right?

553
00:29:23,208 --> 00:29:27,054
So I actually like that.
And again,
this all it took

554
00:29:27,054 --> 00:29:29,966
about three minutes to get to
this moment.


555
00:29:29,974 --> 00:29:33,410
And I think this moment,
something like it, is what we're

556
00:29:33,410 --> 00:29:36,579

talking about from clip one
that we would have liked to have

557
00:29:36,579 --> 00:29:39,628

heard to start the show when
we hit play, let's see.

558
00:29:39,628 --> 00:29:41,440
Ralph, you
wanted to add
something?

559
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:42,940
Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah, actually.


560
00:29:42,948 --> 00:29:46,340
And I thought her story about
the big tires and all that was


561
00:29:46,348 --> 00:29:48,886
kind of misplaced, because I
thought the better way to go


562
00:29:48,894 --> 00:29:51,395
would have been that whole
discussion of, well, he didn't


563
00:29:51,403 --> 00:29:54,700
actually ask us for it, because
if you're a parent, that's what

564
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:56,875
the kids do.
They don't come right out and

565
00:29:56,875 --> 00:29:59,316
ask, they go, Mom,
I gotta get
some new tires.

566
00:29:59,316 --> 00:30:01,310
I'm not sure.
Know, how I'm going to
pay for

567
00:30:01,310 --> 00:30:03,279
it, that would have been more
impactful for me.

568
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,159
Mark the
story about the big
rims that I don't lie, that's

569
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:08,510
kind of funny,
but I just
don't know that it played.

570
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:11,230
They were trying to take
this
and that tension that they have

571
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:13,470
between the two of them, Marc
Ronick: well, for more


572
00:30:13,478 --> 00:30:16,120
context, I appreciate that.
For more context, you know, I

573
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,955
think
what was happening prior
to where we started the clip,

574
00:30:18,955 --> 00:30:22,248
they
were getting into a
little bit of banter, and I

575
00:30:22,248 --> 00:30:23,954
actually
appreciated that
moment.

576
00:30:23,954 --> 00:30:27,968
That's why I left it in there,
because
I liked that we got to

577
00:30:27,968 --> 00:30:30,270
get to know the host a little
bit,
right?

578
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:33,266
I think that helps with the
listeners, connection to the


579
00:30:33,274 --> 00:30:35,816
hosts, right?
And the fact that they were

580
00:30:35,816 --> 00:30:37,860
being playful, they
were
giggling, they were having a

581
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:40,280
little bit of fun.
I just feel
like that sets the

582
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,240
right tone, the style of their
show, right?


583
00:30:43,248 --> 00:30:47,623
And I also appreciate, and we're
going to get to this as well,


584
00:30:47,631 --> 00:30:51,460
that Clancy does a great job of
getting them back on track when

585
00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:55,120
they do go on tangents, because
they do sometimes, and again, I

586
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,672
don't mind a tangent every so
often on a podcast, like I said,

587
00:30:58,672 --> 00:31:01,916

I think it helps us get to
know the hosts more, right?

588
00:31:01,916 --> 00:31:05,790
So I just
think, yeah, I think
that there is a time and a

589
00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:08,346
place, and
Clancy does a great
job a couple of times through

590
00:31:08,346 --> 00:31:10,147
the episode
saying, Okay,
we're getting off track.

591
00:31:10,147 --> 00:31:12,680
Or she doesn't even
announce
that, where they're getting off

592
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,640
track.
She just
reels it back in.

593
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
And I think that's an important
thing,
especially when you

594
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,010
have more than one co host that
the CO
that you know, you got

595
00:31:21,010 --> 00:31:24,140
each other's back and you got
the
shows back.

596
00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:27,695
Anything else anyone wants to
add about this clip
before I

597
00:31:27,695 --> 00:31:29,620
go into the next one?
D.R.

598
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:31,085
Fay: Okay?
Marc Ronick: Dr, has something


599
00:31:31,093 --> 00:31:32,300
go ahead.
Dr, D.R.

600
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,100
Fay: yeah, I didn't mind
the
banter.

601
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:40,138
I think it helped establish the
chemistry, even
for a new

602
00:31:40,138 --> 00:31:43,942
listener like myself, I think it
established the
chemistry

603
00:31:43,942 --> 00:31:46,840
between them, the playfulness
between them, yeah,
so that's

604
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,365
what I have to Marc Ronick: say.
Fair enough.


605
00:31:49,373 --> 00:31:51,750
Fair enough.
Okay, so now, is it safe?

606
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:58,105
All right, before I go any

further, Ralph, would you take a

607
00:31:58,105 --> 00:32:02,005
moment and share tomorrow's

episode and our guest.

608
00:32:02,305 --> 00:32:03,681
Ralph Estep Jr: Oh, thank you,

Mark.

609
00:32:03,681 --> 00:32:06,397
Tomorrow, we've got the famous
Rob Greenlee going to
join the

610
00:32:06,397 --> 00:32:08,410
show.
We're going to talk about a

611
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:12,310
little kerfuffle
he's been in
over the word used to fringe as

612
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:15,549
it relates to
podcasting 2.0
but Rob's been gracious enough

613
00:32:15,549 --> 00:32:17,365
to join us.

Tomorrow, he's going to tell us

614
00:32:17,365 --> 00:32:20,050
about his insight and why he

might not have chosen to use

615
00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:22,635
that word the next time over.
So
come join us tomorrow.

616
00:32:22,635 --> 00:32:25,010
We're gonna talk about
podcasting 2.0
we're gonna

617
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:28,184
talk about AI and we're talking
about where the
whole industry

618
00:32:28,184 --> 00:32:32,038
is going from a dude who's been
there from very
much to

619
00:32:32,038 --> 00:32:37,804
beginning a Hall of Fame winner
and a guy that we can all
look

620
00:32:37,804 --> 00:32:40,036
up to.
We don't always agree with

621
00:32:40,036 --> 00:32:40,054
everything he says,
but we
want to give him the opportunity

622
00:32:40,054 --> 00:32:40,068
to tell us what his
insights
are.

623
00:32:40,068 --> 00:32:41,845
So make sure you join us
tomorrow morning for Marc

624
00:32:41,845 --> 00:32:43,525
Ronick: that.
Yeah, and we
don't agree with

625
00:32:43,525 --> 00:32:45,985
each other all the time here as
well.

626
00:32:45,985 --> 00:32:49,243
So that's
nothing new, nothing
different with this show.

627
00:32:49,243 --> 00:32:53,467
And we love Rob,
so tune in
tomorrow, 8am Eastern podcasting

628
00:32:53,467 --> 00:32:59,390
morning show.com/join
us.
All right, let's go to this next

629
00:32:59,390 --> 00:33:02,710
clip.
This clip is the one,
or at

630
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:07,460
least it's one of the best
examples of what I think the


631
00:33:07,468 --> 00:33:10,968
loud quiet does.
Well, the episode starts with a

632
00:33:10,968 --> 00:33:14,776
practical
parenting question,
should we pay for our adults,

633
00:33:14,776 --> 00:33:17,440
sons, tires.

But here the conversation

634
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,020
becomes more personal, because

Rick and Clancy start talking

635
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:24,580
about how they communicate as a
couple, and how that's changed

636
00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:27,985
over time, and how this decision

revealed something about the

637
00:33:27,985 --> 00:33:32,785
both of them.
So let me play
this next clip

638
00:33:33,625 --> 00:33:37,310
Clip: how we process choosing to

support or not support our

639
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:40,405
adult kid, and it opened up some

things in us, realizing the

640
00:33:40,405 --> 00:33:42,781
assumptions that we bring to

these kind of conversations.

641
00:33:42,781 --> 00:33:48,727
And so we got off the phone, and
I
turned to you and I said, So

642
00:33:48,727 --> 00:33:53,266
are we not gonna help him out
with
that at all?

643
00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:58,004
And this goes to that I felt
like I could
directly ask you

644
00:33:58,004 --> 00:34:01,280
that question.
I may not have felt that way


645
00:34:01,288 --> 00:34:03,763
several years ago.
Why that's interesting.

646
00:34:03,763 --> 00:34:06,760
That makes me sound
like an
ogre, and I've never well, okay,

647
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,675
you know what?
I
think maybe, no, I don't

648
00:34:10,675 --> 00:34:15,020
think it's that.
I think maybe I came
at it a

649
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:18,458
little softer.
I think I probably maybe a few

650
00:34:18,458 --> 00:34:21,929
years ago
would have said,
Hey, we're gonna help him with

651
00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:23,455
that.

Instead of phrasing it as a

652
00:34:23,455 --> 00:34:26,094
question that makes Okay, that

makes more sense, because I'm

653
00:34:26,215 --> 00:34:28,554
sitting there going, Whoa,

you're gonna defend myself here,

654
00:34:28,554 --> 00:34:30,127
right?
That's not how I've
approached

655
00:34:30,127 --> 00:34:33,811
No, no, our life in our
marriage, no, I think I


656
00:34:33,819 --> 00:34:36,788
probably I came at it a little
differently.

657
00:34:36,788 --> 00:34:39,797
Oh, I can tell you
how you
would have said it five or six

658
00:34:39,797 --> 00:34:41,866
years ago.
You're not
gonna pay for the

659
00:34:41,866 --> 00:34:42,639
tire.
Oh no.

660
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,219
You know what I probably would

have done is just texted Tanner

661
00:34:45,219 --> 00:34:48,340
and say, hey, we'll pay for your

tire, and then I'd see the

662
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:49,954
text ago.
What?That's

663
00:34:49,954 --> 00:34:55,480
not what I
thought, Okay?
Because that's actually, I know,

664
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,687
yeah, because
as the mom, I
just want to be like, Oh yes,

665
00:34:58,687 --> 00:35:00,565
we'll, we'll help
you.
Won't do it.

666
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,020
Marc Ronick: I think Jonathan

wants to chime in, at least his

667
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:05,940
mic is unmuted.
Jonathan, did
you?

668
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,920
Jonathan Howard: Oh, that was

Jack doing that.

669
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,524
But can add in, I think they did
a phenomenal
job touching on

670
00:35:11,524 --> 00:35:15,419
all the different angles that
were going
on in their head

671
00:35:15,419 --> 00:35:18,914
during this conversation, and
kind of
showing people what,

672
00:35:18,914 --> 00:35:21,970
you know, how they thought
through a lot
of this, because

673
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:26,210
as it continues, they even go
into,
well, it was the male

674
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:29,299
son, not the daughter, and, like
all of
that stuff, and how

675
00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:31,681
that would play out differently.
And I
thought they did a

676
00:35:31,681 --> 00:35:34,913
really good job exploring that.
And it was
interesting to hear

677
00:35:34,913 --> 00:35:36,872
insights.
That, Marc Ronick: yeah, I'm

678
00:35:36,872 --> 00:35:38,616
with you
there.
Jonathan, I think, yeah, it's

679
00:35:38,616 --> 00:35:40,405
very revealing as to who
they
are.

680
00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:43,336
We get to really get to know
them again.

681
00:35:43,336 --> 00:35:45,820
Great for
connecting with your
audience.

682
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:48,610
I'm with you there.
Did anyone
else want to chime

683
00:35:48,610 --> 00:35:50,680
in on anything here?
Sid, go ahead.

684
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,180
Sid Meadows: You know this whole

topic of communication, when I

685
00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:59,224
first listened to it, I wrote in

my evaluation that I thought

686
00:35:59,224 --> 00:36:02,580
at the time that part of the

conversation maybe was a little

687
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:04,900
bit too long.
And I think I said
that was

688
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,648
too long and maybe a little
misplaced.

689
00:36:06,648 --> 00:36:09,960
But now
hearing it again, I
changed my mind about that.

690
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:13,842
Marc Ronick: Okay, Sid Meadows:
but this
communication issue

691
00:36:13,842 --> 00:36:17,640
is a big topic in the life of
empty
nesters.

692
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:19,302
Marc Ronick: How do we Sid
Meadows: communicate?

693
00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:22,700
Who do
they communicate with
that would make and how they do

694
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:24,380
it.
I love
the very natural flow

695
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:27,122
and, like, What do you mean?
I'm an ogre
kind of thing

696
00:36:27,122 --> 00:36:31,028
that's very much we see that
happen in real life,
you know,

697
00:36:31,028 --> 00:36:34,244
with no mics on.
And I think it's a really

698
00:36:34,244 --> 00:36:37,128
important
conversation that
could be had in a separate

699
00:36:37,128 --> 00:36:39,600
episode, just
about, how do
you communicate as empty

700
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,884
nesters, and how do you or
how
do you or how do you communicate

701
00:36:41,884 --> 00:36:43,914
with your kids?
How
do you stay on the same

702
00:36:43,914 --> 00:36:46,570
page, so that they see a united
front,
not a divided front,

703
00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:48,931
those kind of because it's a
really, really
important

704
00:36:48,931 --> 00:36:52,274
topic, as we because, just like
our kids are learning
to

705
00:36:52,274 --> 00:36:56,056
navigate school, we are learning
to navigate a house
without

706
00:36:56,056 --> 00:36:59,025
children, right?
And so I think it's a really

707
00:36:59,025 --> 00:37:01,120
important
topic.
And now thank you for the for

708
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,188
changing my perspective on
it.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, you're


709
00:37:03,196 --> 00:37:04,620
welcome, and thank you for
sharing yours.

710
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:08,886
You know, I've
asked them,
when I was working with them, to

711
00:37:08,886 --> 00:37:12,987
save some of their
quote,
unquote discussions, their

712
00:37:12,987 --> 00:37:17,562
actual, real life
discussions
for the show, to make the those

713
00:37:17,562 --> 00:37:21,236
moments feel even
more raw and
real, which I was giggling

714
00:37:21,236 --> 00:37:23,252
because I know that's
really
hard.

715
00:37:23,252 --> 00:37:26,208
I've talked about it with my
wife, Amy, before,
like,

716
00:37:26,208 --> 00:37:29,000
because we want to, actually,
we've talked about the
idea,

717
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,200
the desire to do a podcast
together, and I've said to her,

718
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,372
maybe one angle is when we have
a beef with one another, we save

719
00:37:38,372 --> 00:37:42,030

it and we press the record
button and see what happens.


720
00:37:42,038 --> 00:37:45,236
Ralph, I know you're shaking
your head, but I would, I would

721
00:37:45,236 --> 00:37:48,400
be willing to bet it would be a
very engaging show.

722
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:49,846
Ralph Estep Jr: I'm sure it

would.

723
00:37:49,846 --> 00:37:52,580
But when I'm going to go back to
ogre, because I've been
called

724
00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:55,940
ogre many times, like, I think
my kids think that's my
name.

725
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:58,660
I'm dad slash ogre.
So when they said that, I was

726
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:01,668
like,
yeah, man, I am the
ogre, and I'm a proud ogre

727
00:38:01,668 --> 00:38:03,654
marker.
Marc Ronick: Okay?

728
00:38:03,654 --> 00:38:05,544
Shrek.

Appreciate it all right.

729
00:38:05,544 --> 00:38:08,622
So I think what works here is
that
the conversation feels

730
00:38:08,622 --> 00:38:10,932
really lived in.
They're not performing
a

731
00:38:10,932 --> 00:38:14,172
debate, right?
They're letting us hear how the

732
00:38:14,172 --> 00:38:18,282
debate actually
works inside
their relationship for a show

733
00:38:18,282 --> 00:38:20,954
about empty nest
living,
that's really valuable because

734
00:38:20,954 --> 00:38:25,240
the audience probably
isn't
looking just for advice, right?

735
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:26,520
They're looking for

recognition.

736
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,839
They want to hear people
processing the same
weird,

737
00:38:30,839 --> 00:38:33,806
emotional, everyday stuff that
they're processing.

738
00:38:33,806 --> 00:38:38,228
So the
strength of this show
is clearly the organic

739
00:38:38,228 --> 00:38:42,022
relationship
dynamic, but
organic conversation brings a

740
00:38:42,022 --> 00:38:45,675
challenge
too, because you
could ask, how do you let the

741
00:38:45,675 --> 00:38:48,130
conversation
breathe without
letting the listener lose the

742
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:48,790
thread?
Right?


743
00:38:48,798 --> 00:38:53,448
So that'll bring us to this next
clip, four, where they're


744
00:38:53,456 --> 00:38:57,964
sharing a moment where Clancy's
actually acknowledging they may

745
00:38:57,964 --> 00:39:01,500
be getting off topic.
This is what I was mentioning

746
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,240
earlier.

But what's interesting is that

747
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:07,080
the off topic moment also

reveals something valuable about

748
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,920
their relationship and how they
process these decisions that

749
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,020
they make together.
So let's
take a listen.

750
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,600
Clip: I really do think we

discuss and debate differently

751
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,020
in our business discussions than

we do in our personal

752
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:22,792
discussions.
Yeah, and I know
we're totally

753
00:39:22,792 --> 00:39:26,577
getting off topic, but we're
opening the door into
our

754
00:39:26,577 --> 00:39:32,020
relationship for you guys.
So I feel like our relationship

755
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:39,205
side, I don't feel like there's
been as much controversy on that

756
00:39:39,205 --> 00:39:43,845

side, maybe because you get
all our fights, yeah, maybe

757
00:39:43,845 --> 00:39:48,085
because,
maybe because a lot
of it gets taken up, we're just

758
00:39:48,085 --> 00:39:51,217
gonna agree
because we're
fatigued in discussing, I mean

759
00:39:51,217 --> 00:39:54,480
business,
because we have to
discuss so much.

760
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,655
Could be with the business

side of things that.

761
00:39:59,655 --> 00:40:04,346
We're so happy when we aren't
discussing
those things, that

762
00:40:04,346 --> 00:40:08,080
we're just happy to be together.
Maybe that
mean, maybe so, and

763
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:14,167
I think that's an example of
what we're
talking about here,

764
00:40:14,167 --> 00:40:15,698
that the fire may be in the
business, but
in this case is

765
00:40:15,698 --> 00:40:16,000
like, push back on Yeah, tell me
what you're
thinking about.

766
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,080
Marc Ronick: So the question

here isn't just, should this

767
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,098
have stayed in the episode?
The
better question now is,

768
00:40:22,098 --> 00:40:26,972
how do you help the listener
understand
why the detour

769
00:40:26,972 --> 00:40:29,840
matters, right?
So, what are your thoughts?

770
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,248
Did
the detour deepen this
episode for you, or did it start

771
00:40:33,248 --> 00:40:35,340
to pull
you away from the
original question?

772
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:38,270
Your thoughts?
Ralph Estep Jr: I thought the


773
00:40:38,278 --> 00:40:40,599
detour was fine mark, but one
thing I just remembered when I


774
00:40:40,607 --> 00:40:43,580
was listening to this more of a
structure thing, and I don't


775
00:40:43,588 --> 00:40:45,520
know if anybody else picked it
up.

776
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,620
Did anybody else think the

cuts Marc Ronick: were a little

777
00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:49,094
Ralph Estep Jr: too close?
Yes,
like, and I'm not, this

778
00:40:49,094 --> 00:40:49,984
isn't a criticism.
No, no.

779
00:40:49,984 --> 00:40:51,226
It's all
through the whole
thing.

780
00:40:51,226 --> 00:40:54,390
And I it reminded me in that
clip to
answer your first

781
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:57,013
question, I thought the detour
was fine, and
I thought it was

782
00:40:57,013 --> 00:40:59,588
actually endearing and made you
more and
built the

783
00:40:59,588 --> 00:41:01,980
relationship, sure, and I felt
through the whole
thing, the

784
00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:04,690
cuts were just way too close,
like I would have let
it

785
00:41:04,690 --> 00:41:06,930
breathe a little bit more,
because it was almost like,


786
00:41:06,938 --> 00:41:08,190
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom.

787
00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:09,870
And I think I was an
editing
decision.

788
00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:11,388
I'm assuming I don't do their
editing.

789
00:41:11,388 --> 00:41:13,920
I'm not
an editor, but it felt
a little too close to me.

790
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:16,164
Marc Ronick: Yeah.
I mean, look,
there are

791
00:41:16,164 --> 00:41:19,175
moments that I appreciate, like
they certainly
intentionally

792
00:41:19,175 --> 00:41:22,854
leave in long pauses on it at
times, because
sometimes

793
00:41:22,854 --> 00:41:25,897
Clancy does take a moment.
She takes a beat before
she

794
00:41:25,897 --> 00:41:29,492
kind of gathers her thoughts,
which I appreciate, no
no

795
00:41:29,492 --> 00:41:32,620
criticism there, right?
But yeah, what does does anyone

796
00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:35,462
else
agree with that?
Like, Yeah, I heard, and I've

797
00:41:35,462 --> 00:41:38,273
talked with them
about their
editing before, because they are

798
00:41:38,273 --> 00:41:41,077
doing their own
editing, and I
respect that, right?

799
00:41:41,077 --> 00:41:45,220
And there are moments
where
the edits are a little too

800
00:41:45,220 --> 00:41:48,100
tight.
And I think that, I do
believe

801
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,640
that even an average listener
might hear that and
kind of

802
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,460
cock their head like, Huh, what
just happened there,
right?

803
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:58,117
They may not even know it was a
quote, unquote bad edit,
but

804
00:41:58,117 --> 00:42:01,745
it might be a little jarring or
confusing to an average


805
00:42:01,753 --> 00:42:04,880
listener.
I'm going to go to BC and then

806
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,015
Sid, go ahead, BC, BC Babbles:
yeah, I would say.


807
00:42:07,023 --> 00:42:09,360
In contrast, there are some
moments where edits don't happen

808
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,550

at all, where there definitely
should be one.

809
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:14,475
I forget quite
where it was,
but it's an earlier part of the

810
00:42:14,475 --> 00:42:17,088
episode
where there's just
this unnecessarily long dead

811
00:42:17,088 --> 00:42:21,095
space
pause, yeah, and
something that Clancy is saying.

812
00:42:21,095 --> 00:42:24,680
And I'm like,
that could have
been easily two and a half

813
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,710
seconds shorter, like
right
there, easily, Marc Ronick: to

814
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:30,335
be honest with
you, I might
have tightened a couple of those

815
00:42:30,335 --> 00:42:33,905
pauses a little
bit that you
heard here today, just for the

816
00:42:33,905 --> 00:42:36,380
sake of keeping
things moving
here on the show.

817
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,860
Yeah, you too.
Yes, good, yes.

818
00:42:39,860 --> 00:42:43,813
So I hear you there.
BC, and I
could, I would say

819
00:42:43,813 --> 00:42:45,754
again, I like having longer
pauses.

820
00:42:45,754 --> 00:42:49,024
I like
keeping those in,
because it does sometimes create

821
00:42:49,024 --> 00:42:51,460
some
tension, right?
Like, I lean in.

822
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:53,455
I'm like, where is Clancy gonna
go?

823
00:42:53,455 --> 00:42:55,965
Right now, right?
Like, but I think they could be

824
00:42:55,965 --> 00:42:57,700
a little
tighter to your point
as well.

825
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,468
BC, I'm with you there.
Sid,
yeah, oh, go ahead.

826
00:43:00,468 --> 00:43:02,520
Well, let's finish from BC
first, go ahead.

827
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,050
BC Babbles: BC, go ahead.
Marc Ronick: Okay, go ahead.


828
00:43:04,058 --> 00:43:06,600
Sid, Sid Meadows: yeah, I don't
listen like you guys listen.

829
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:08,855
Marc Ronick: Yeah.
Sid Meadows: I'm not listening


830
00:43:08,863 --> 00:43:11,259
for those editing things.
And I didn't notice anything.

831
00:43:11,259 --> 00:43:15,520
I did
notice the pauses were a
little bit long, but I also

832
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,700
understand
the power of the
pause, yeah, but the cuts you're

833
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:20,554
talking
about, I don't notice
any of that.

834
00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:23,510
I don't know where the cut
was
too short, or because I don't

835
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:27,410
listen like that.
I listen
as a consumer and to

836
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:29,870
learn something, or to be
educated, or
whatever it is,

837
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:31,815
right?
So I don't listen to any of

838
00:43:31,815 --> 00:43:35,160
that,
but, but again,
listening to this clip, I think

839
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,724
this show
actually underlying,
without actually even saying it

840
00:43:39,724 --> 00:43:44,155
is
really about a couple
learning to navigate and

841
00:43:44,155 --> 00:43:46,548
communicate
together.
They talk about communicating in

842
00:43:46,548 --> 00:43:49,820
business and
communicating in
real life, or, you know, as a

843
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:51,230
couple.
That's
really what this show

844
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:53,860
is about, because, because I
said a minute
ago, I mean,

845
00:43:53,860 --> 00:43:56,604
navigating the life of being an
empty Master is not
easy.

846
00:43:56,604 --> 00:43:59,840
You have to do so many different
things and, you know,
and so

847
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,170
it's, I think that's really,
this is about
communication.

848
00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:04,828
This is about communication.
This is about how
couples

849
00:44:04,828 --> 00:44:07,428
communicate.
And this is a topic that is

850
00:44:07,428 --> 00:44:11,499
happens all the
time when you
have kids in college, like, who

851
00:44:11,499 --> 00:44:14,880
pays for
what?
But this is really about how you

852
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,840
communicate as a couple,
and
how, in my mind, how you

853
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,450
maintain your relationship,

right?

854
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:25,288
How you can see, because your
life has changed so much
when

855
00:44:25,288 --> 00:44:28,538
your kids leave, it's almost
like you're dating again,
and

856
00:44:28,538 --> 00:44:31,508
you have to, honestly, have to
relearn that skill, if you


857
00:44:31,516 --> 00:44:33,713
will.
So I think this is more about

858
00:44:33,713 --> 00:44:37,375
what this show is about
than
just the experiences of being

859
00:44:37,375 --> 00:44:39,046
empty, messy.
It's about
couples

860
00:44:39,046 --> 00:44:41,683
communicating effectively
together, and I will
add to

861
00:44:41,683 --> 00:44:44,620
stay together, Marc Ronick: I'm
with you.

862
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:47,404
It's
relatability.
That's the factor of this show.

863
00:44:47,404 --> 00:44:51,074
That's what makes
it a good
show for their target audience.

864
00:44:51,074 --> 00:44:53,407
They're very
relatable, and
they say it.

865
00:44:53,407 --> 00:44:55,810
They put a disclaimer in their
show
notes.

866
00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:59,904
They say it on the show.
I believe that this is not ad.


867
00:44:59,912 --> 00:45:01,914
Advice.
They're not telling you what's

868
00:45:01,914 --> 00:45:05,100
wrong or what's right.

They're telling you about their

869
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:09,480
experience, and you'll either

agree with it, you'll disagree

870
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,080
with it.
But I think it's all
still

871
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,184
relatable.
And you know, in a

872
00:45:14,184 --> 00:45:17,768
conversational podcast,
when
we have tangents like this, they

873
00:45:17,768 --> 00:45:21,080
can be great when they're

revealing something deeper, like

874
00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:24,740
what Sid has discovered, digging

deeper, but the listener needs

875
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:29,540
a little help, so I think even

adding simple lines, like, you

876
00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:33,320
know, the reason this matters is

because this decision isn't

877
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,800
really about the tire.
It's
about how we talk through

878
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,113
parenting decisions now that our

kids are older.

879
00:45:39,113 --> 00:45:41,919
And I'm not saying you have to
say that,
right?

880
00:45:41,919 --> 00:45:44,938
But like, because I think in
this case, we can connect


881
00:45:44,946 --> 00:45:47,086
those dots.
But sometimes I think it helps

882
00:45:47,086 --> 00:45:50,490
if you've gone on
a big
tangent to bring it home and to

883
00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:53,140
try to tie a ribbon
around it
when you can.

884
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,780
Sid Meadows: So Mark Junaid ask
a really good question in the

885
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:57,138
chat.
He says he might have
missed

886
00:45:57,138 --> 00:46:00,604
it at the top of the episode,
but what's their goal
for this

887
00:46:00,604 --> 00:46:03,988
podcast, do you know?
Marc Ronick: Do I know their


888
00:46:03,996 --> 00:46:07,302
goal?
Their goal is to be a a stomping

889
00:46:07,302 --> 00:46:11,310
ground for empty
nesters, to
build a community of empty

890
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:15,600
nesters and to work as a

community, to navigate the empty

891
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,700
nest life.
Is that okay?

892
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:21,690
So, oh
yeah.
Sid Meadows: I think it's great.

893
00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:24,380


That was but yeah, I think it's

894
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:28,430
a really good question.
I also
think you know

895
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:31,838
something like as again, this
goes back to
parenting.

896
00:46:31,838 --> 00:46:34,268
I know the answer to this
question.

897
00:46:34,268 --> 00:46:37,978
If I weren't
listening for an
evaluation, I probably would

898
00:46:37,978 --> 00:46:41,222
have dropped off
really soon,
because I know the answer to

899
00:46:41,222 --> 00:46:42,940
this question.
I know
how I would answer this

900
00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:47,920
question, right and but I think
I'm saying that to say is that

901
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,040
maybe the setup of something

like this, that this is again

902
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,060
going to go to how you parent,

is not necessarily about what

903
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:57,545
they made, but how we make

decisions.

904
00:46:57,545 --> 00:47:00,975
Or, you know, why we made this
decision, what
decision would

905
00:47:00,975 --> 00:47:03,384
you make?
Because if they had done a shout

906
00:47:03,384 --> 00:47:07,128
out to
me or given me a way to
communicate to them, whether


907
00:47:07,136 --> 00:47:10,555
it's through speak pipe or text
them or whatever, how would you

908
00:47:10,555 --> 00:47:13,110
answer this question?
What would you have done in this

909
00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:14,220
situation?

I would have immediately

910
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:18,060
responded, this is what I would
have done, right so, because

911
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:21,951
you're going to have difference
of opinions from parents who

912
00:47:21,951 --> 00:47:25,778
are navigating the same journey
than
what their banter was

913
00:47:25,778 --> 00:47:28,744
right, or what their decision
was, or even
how they got

914
00:47:28,744 --> 00:47:30,740
there.
So I think that there, there's a

915
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:33,806
way here
to get your audience
involved in a question like

916
00:47:33,806 --> 00:47:37,140
this, because a
lot of parents
are going to have an immediate

917
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:40,810
answer like I have Marc Ronick:
totally with you
great advice.

918
00:47:40,810 --> 00:47:44,086
Sid, yeah, bring it back to the
audience and get
them involved

919
00:47:44,086 --> 00:47:47,560
in the conversation by asking
them a
question and then maybe

920
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,260
reiterating that question.

Because I know that they have a

921
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:52,862
Facebook group, a pretty active
one, the growing one.

922
00:47:52,862 --> 00:47:55,980
They could put that question in
there as a
follow up to the

923
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:57,070
episode as well.
Yeah.

924
00:47:57,070 --> 00:48:00,525
BC, is this a
legacy?
Hand raise, or did you actually

925
00:48:00,525 --> 00:48:01,980
want to add BC Babbles:
something?

926
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:03,930
It's a
new hand raise.
Marc Ronick: Okay, go forward BC

927
00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:05,580
Babbles: to the same point.

So that's why I'm happy that

928
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:08,280
when you back, when you were

working with them, they chose to

929
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,060
keep the name loud quiet,

because while I agree there are

930
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:15,420
probably better SEO approaches

to the title or the subtitle, I

931
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:20,160
think the choice of loud quiet

shows the nuance that they want

932
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,140
their perspective audience to

realize, oh, they get me, this

933
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,925
is what I'm looking for.
The
loud, quiet, I totally get

934
00:48:27,925 --> 00:48:32,490
that new, empty, lack of kid
spawned
ambiance in the house.

935
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:36,376
What do I do now?
So I think that's that
artists

936
00:48:36,376 --> 00:48:39,495
too artistic or not, are not SEO
enough or not.

937
00:48:39,495 --> 00:48:42,400
I think
that's a great,
nuanced choice to all the same

938
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,660
points that were
just brought
up.

939
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,200
Marc Ronick: I love it.
Thank
you for that.

940
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,480
BC, all right, so this next
clip, we're on our
final two,

941
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,240
and I think we're doing fairly
well on time here.


942
00:48:52,248 --> 00:48:55,236
I'd probably call this one of
their strongest moments, too.


943
00:48:55,244 --> 00:49:00,699
This is so I think actually this
was BC alluded to this part of


944
00:49:00,707 --> 00:49:04,588
the podcast episode, Clancy asks
Rick a clean comparison


945
00:49:04,596 --> 00:49:07,075
question.
She says, if their daughter

946
00:49:07,075 --> 00:49:11,014
Tegan called with the
same
tire issue, what would Rick do?

947
00:49:11,014 --> 00:49:14,160
Right?
So let me play this
for you.

948
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,060
Clip: The first thing I said

was, if Tegan called today and

949
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:24,860
said, Hey, Dad, my tire has a

bubble in it and needs to be

950
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:27,104
replaced.
Would you pay for it?


951
00:49:27,112 --> 00:49:32,900
It was a great question to ask,
because it hit on all the


952
00:49:32,908 --> 00:49:36,275
categories that some are
subconscious, some are


953
00:49:36,283 --> 00:49:41,364
conscious, that were going on in
my mind, in the assumption that

954
00:49:41,364 --> 00:49:44,844
I had walking in of No, of
course, we're not going to pay


955
00:49:44,852 --> 00:49:46,662
for it.
And the answer to your question

956
00:49:46,662 --> 00:49:52,173
was yes, I bet we would
have.
And the reason no, we would have

957
00:49:52,173 --> 00:49:55,539
not, I bet.
I think
that's fine to say.

958
00:49:55,539 --> 00:49:59,165
I guess whenever I'm trying to

hypothetical, I'll just leave it

959
00:49:59,165 --> 00:50:00,315
kind of that way.
You.

960
00:50:00,315 --> 00:50:04,350
And it
was interesting to kind
of process through the factors


961
00:50:04,358 --> 00:50:10,400
behind that, and one of them is
undergrad versus graduate,


962
00:50:10,408 --> 00:50:13,126
right?
There's something mentally and I

963
00:50:13,126 --> 00:50:17,460
think it's
because I didn't go
to graduate school, so I've

964
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:22,529
thought of
myself as a student
a I'm not in the, quote, real

965
00:50:22,529 --> 00:50:26,217
world until I
graduated from
my undergraduate experience.

966
00:50:26,217 --> 00:50:30,350
And so because
that's when I
became a I'm in the real world,

967
00:50:30,350 --> 00:50:35,267
that has been
this mental line
in my mind of all right, you are

968
00:50:35,267 --> 00:50:38,879
still under
kind of the
parental influence support and a

969
00:50:38,879 --> 00:50:41,671
deeper sense of
influence and
support when you're an

970
00:50:41,671 --> 00:50:43,994
undergrad.
So that
alone was factor

971
00:50:43,994 --> 00:50:46,695
number one.
And before we go into any of the

972
00:50:46,695 --> 00:50:49,440

other factors that we
explored, did that even cross

973
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,780
your mind?
Marc Ronick: Okay, so did that


974
00:50:52,788 --> 00:50:55,690
comparison create the clearest
turning point in the episode?


975
00:50:55,698 --> 00:50:58,060
Yeah.
Sid, see you raising your hand.

976
00:50:58,060 --> 00:51:02,310
Go for Sid Meadows: it.
This question
made me hit the

977
00:51:02,310 --> 00:51:08,613
stop button, because I have a
daughter and a
son, yeah, and

978
00:51:08,613 --> 00:51:11,700
I'm like, holy crap.
Do we treat them
differently?

979
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,085
Do we have higher expectations
on him?

980
00:51:14,085 --> 00:51:18,440
Because
he's a boy, and when
we push him to do something that

981
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,230
we would
not push her to do,
she's the older one, right?

982
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:25,272
Made me stop
and really think
about as a parent, what do we

983
00:51:25,272 --> 00:51:27,416
do?
And I
don't know that I came

984
00:51:27,416 --> 00:51:30,208
up to an answer, but wow, what
an amazing
question.

985
00:51:30,208 --> 00:51:34,308
Because I can tell you, if you
have children of
opposite sex,

986
00:51:34,308 --> 00:51:36,035
you've had this question come
up.

987
00:51:36,035 --> 00:51:38,374
This has come
up in your
brain, are we treating her

988
00:51:38,374 --> 00:51:41,105
differently than we
treat him?
Because that's usually the case.

989
00:51:41,105 --> 00:51:43,446
We're going to
treat the girl
differently.

990
00:51:43,446 --> 00:51:45,964
And I kind of am going to sit
with
Rick a little bit like,

991
00:51:45,964 --> 00:51:49,225
Yeah, I think I do treat her a
little
bit different.

992
00:51:49,225 --> 00:51:52,840
I'm easier on her, Marc Ronick:
right Sid Meadows: and so, but

993
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,434
yeah,
it made me.
It literally made me hit the

994
00:51:55,434 --> 00:51:58,467
stop button and go, Wow.

What are we doing?

995
00:51:58,467 --> 00:52:03,360
Does he notice, if we're doing
it
enough, does he notice that

996
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,626
we're doing it right?
I mean,
like the impact on him

997
00:52:07,626 --> 00:52:11,480
so but you know, my position on
this
is, they're both in

998
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,360
school, and mom and dad are
going to pay for
whatever they

999
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,100
need.
Doesn't matter that she's in

1000
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:18,968
graduate
school and he's in
undergraduate school.

1001
00:52:18,968 --> 00:52:21,440
Doesn't matter that he's
on
scholarship and she's not on

1002
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,915
scholarship.
Doesn't matter that
she lives

1003
00:52:22,915 --> 00:52:25,790
in London, he lives in Kansas.
It doesn't matter there
are

1004
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:28,448
kids.
And this is what I mean about is

1005
00:52:28,448 --> 00:52:31,450
a very different
people have
different parenting styles, and

1006
00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:33,725
for mine, it's never
even a
question.

1007
00:52:33,725 --> 00:52:35,930
He's had these issues.
Like, hey, this is what


1008
00:52:35,938 --> 00:52:37,907
happened to my truck.
I'm like, go to this.

1009
00:52:37,907 --> 00:52:40,144
Go to the place.
And
I remember this vividly.

1010
00:52:40,144 --> 00:52:41,785
He had something break on his
truck.


1011
00:52:41,793 --> 00:52:45,133
And I'm like, just go to the
shop and get him to fix it.

1012
00:52:45,133 --> 00:52:47,736
You
have a credit card.
They each have a credit card.

1013
00:52:47,736 --> 00:52:49,970
Like, here's
a credit card.
I don't have to give them.

1014
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:52,774
You got the credit
card.
Go get it fixed, because your

1015
00:52:52,774 --> 00:52:55,252
safety is more important
than
saving money.

1016
00:52:55,252 --> 00:52:58,215
It's a vehicle issue, right?
And what
did he do?

1017
00:52:58,215 --> 00:53:01,384
He orders the part on mine.
He tries to fix it
himself,

1018
00:53:01,384 --> 00:53:03,656
and he can't.
He brings a buddy over and try

1019
00:53:03,656 --> 00:53:05,077
to fix it
himself, and he
can't.

1020
00:53:05,077 --> 00:53:07,645
He finally gets to school, and
one
of his buddies at school

1021
00:53:07,645 --> 00:53:10,436
helps him fix it so he could
save 200
bucks.

1022
00:53:10,436 --> 00:53:12,822
I appreciate that, but not
necessary, right?

1023
00:53:12,822 --> 00:53:16,638
And so
that's why this
question, just like, made me

1024
00:53:16,638 --> 00:53:19,271
stop and like,
think, do we
treat them differently?

1025
00:53:19,271 --> 00:53:22,074
And I think at the
core of the
answer is, yeah, we do treat

1026
00:53:22,074 --> 00:53:24,698
them differently, and
it's
something now that I will always

1027
00:53:24,698 --> 00:53:27,242
think about.
So thank you
for asking that

1028
00:53:27,242 --> 00:53:28,480
question, Marc Ronick: yeah.
And yeah.

1029
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,740
I
mean, I think it hits a lot
of areas, right?

1030
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:33,260
It hits on their
roles as
parents.

1031
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:38,120
It hits on their children, their
genders,
undergrad versus

1032
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,430
grad, and how differently we
might treat each
child without

1033
00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:44,680
even realizing it.
So, yeah, great that.

1034
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,808
So that's
what Sid just
demonstrated, is that, again,

1035
00:53:47,808 --> 00:53:52,348
this episode that
we're
evaluating really speaks to the

1036
00:53:52,348 --> 00:53:55,900
target audience, right?

Sid really connected with that.

1037
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,611
Dr, you wanted to add something?
D.R.

1038
00:53:58,611 --> 00:54:03,457
Fay: Yeah, I did excuse me
for
their new listeners, I just want

1039
00:54:03,457 --> 00:54:08,220
to remind both of the hosts

that whenever they bring up a

1040
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:13,200
new name in the episode, for

instance, with is her name

1041
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,940
Tegan?
Is that the name Tegan?

1042
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,268
Marc Ronick: Yep, D.R.
Fay: I probably would have


1043
00:54:17,276 --> 00:54:21,815
said if I had been Clancy.
Well, Tegan, our daughter, Marc

1044
00:54:21,815 --> 00:54:24,359
Ronick: yes, yes, D.R.
Fay: so, and that would be
for

1045
00:54:24,359 --> 00:54:26,367
the new listeners.
Now, I know we're getting short

1046
00:54:26,367 --> 00:54:28,950
on
time, and I just wanted to
mention, Marc Ronick: yeah, D.R.

1047
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:31,840
Fay: like, the biggest

opportunity that I see that has

1048
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:38,260
been missed is a mid roll for

their book or their community,

1049
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:43,310
you know, whatever they want to
sell at the time.

1050
00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:48,616
Yeah, utilize the whoosh that we
do all the
time in our

1051
00:54:48,616 --> 00:54:51,343
episodes and get is sell some
books.

1052
00:54:51,343 --> 00:54:55,045
At least it
might pay for your
hosting platform, you know.

1053
00:54:55,105 --> 00:54:57,319
Marc Ronick: Yeah, absolutely.
I
think that's a great

1054
00:54:57,319 --> 00:54:58,351
suggestion.
Thank you.

1055
00:54:58,351 --> 00:55:01,101
Dr, okay.
Let's
because, as you pointed

1056
00:55:01,101 --> 00:55:03,937
out, we are short on time, and
I'm
asking everybody, please

1057
00:55:03,937 --> 00:55:06,545
stick around, because we're
really
getting close to

1058
00:55:06,545 --> 00:55:09,540
wrapping up here.
But I want to play let's
see.

1059
00:55:09,540 --> 00:55:13,715
Yeah, let's play it.
This is the final resolution to

1060
00:55:13,715 --> 00:55:18,965
the
episode, plus the CTA, and
this is where they reveal what

1061
00:55:18,965 --> 00:55:22,250
they
did, and they explain why
they feel comfortable with their

1062
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:24,630

decision.
And what's useful here is that

1063
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:28,030
they don't frame their
choice
as the only right answer.

1064
00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:30,092
This is what we were talking

about earlier, right?

1065
00:55:30,092 --> 00:55:33,228
Like they say this is their
decision,
because look,

1066
00:55:33,228 --> 00:55:35,752
different audiences that are
listening to
their show,

1067
00:55:35,752 --> 00:55:38,865
different people in their
audience might be in
different

1068
00:55:38,865 --> 00:55:40,555
positions, right?
There might be some people


1069
00:55:40,563 --> 00:55:43,147
listening that are in a
financial position where they


1070
00:55:43,155 --> 00:55:47,365
can't keep paying for their kids
now that they're in grad school

1071
00:55:47,365 --> 00:55:49,645
or beyond.
Or maybe there are also parents

1072
00:55:49,645 --> 00:55:52,741
that are out there
that think
I just that's just not our

1073
00:55:52,741 --> 00:55:55,487
responsibility anymore,
and
they got to learn now on their

1074
00:55:55,487 --> 00:55:58,402
own, right?
So, but so I
like how they do

1075
00:55:58,402 --> 00:56:01,975
that, and I want to, let's just
get to it
right now, and if I

1076
00:56:01,975 --> 00:56:04,252
can't remember if this clip
reveals
what their decision

1077
00:56:04,252 --> 00:56:06,184
was.
So if it doesn't, I'll share at

1078
00:56:06,184 --> 00:56:08,110
the
end.
So Clip: I think we've kind of


1079
00:56:08,118 --> 00:56:09,622
revealed what the answer to this
is.

1080
00:56:09,622 --> 00:56:11,873
And we did choose to buy the

tire.

1081
00:56:11,873 --> 00:56:16,092
So in the end, we did, and
there's parts I'm very


1082
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:20,838
comfortable the decision, and
even the way we phrased it was


1083
00:56:20,846 --> 00:56:23,073
that you're still a student.
We got this, and he was super


1084
00:56:23,081 --> 00:56:23,954
appreciative.
There's still a twinge in me

1085
00:56:23,954 --> 00:56:26,445
that's like, are we
enabling?
It's keeping that sort of radar

1086
00:56:26,445 --> 00:56:27,845
up.
And there's people
listening

1087
00:56:27,845 --> 00:56:30,205
that may go, Yeah, you made the
wrong choice.

1088
00:56:30,205 --> 00:56:33,365
I don't
think we made the
wrong choice, knowing all of the

1089
00:56:33,365 --> 00:56:36,495
factors that
fed into our
decision, we made our choice.

1090
00:56:36,495 --> 00:56:40,207
So it's not the
wrong choice.
It was the choice that we

1091
00:56:40,207 --> 00:56:42,285
decided to make.
People
may not agree with it,

1092
00:56:42,285 --> 00:56:46,696
but it was our choice.
And I think
that's very, very

1093
00:56:46,696 --> 00:56:49,294
true.
I think it's easier to make that

1094
00:56:49,294 --> 00:56:53,614
when
you do see them being
responsible adults in other ways

1095
00:56:53,614 --> 00:56:57,468

as well.
Yes, yes, that does make you

1096
00:56:57,468 --> 00:57:02,800
want to, yeah, help
them out
when things do mess up their

1097
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:08,731
plans, which we all know,
like
I said, that will continue to

1098
00:57:08,731 --> 00:57:11,615
happen.
So let them be a kid
for a

1099
00:57:11,615 --> 00:57:13,615
little bit longer, while they
can.

1100
00:57:13,615 --> 00:57:17,881
So yes, so I'm sure
y'all have
all had things that you've

1101
00:57:17,881 --> 00:57:20,935
helped your kiddos out
with,
or, you know, maybe you've

1102
00:57:20,935 --> 00:57:24,565
chosen to tell them, I can't

help you off this time.

1103
00:57:24,565 --> 00:57:28,090
Maybe you maybe just can't, and
that's
valid reason too.

1104
00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:30,787
Oh yeah.
So you know, we hope you all


1105
00:57:30,795 --> 00:57:33,568
enjoyed this episode.
And check us out at the loud

1106
00:57:33,568 --> 00:57:37,180
quiet.com and
also check out
our book on Amazon, the loud

1107
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:40,120
quiet.
And
thanks for joining us on

1108
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,780
another episode of the loud,
quiet, Marc Ronick: okay, so

1109
00:57:43,780 --> 00:57:46,753
yeah,
there was that CTA and
Dr, I agree with you.

1110
00:57:46,753 --> 00:57:49,532
We're waiting
till the very
end of the show to do that.

1111
00:57:49,532 --> 00:57:52,846
And a lot of people may
not be
there for that very last moment.

1112
00:57:52,846 --> 00:57:55,570
They may have just
pressed
stop, because they know they got

1113
00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:57,610
the resolution.
They
heard the wrap up, and

1114
00:57:57,610 --> 00:57:59,945
they think, Okay, I'm done, and
they
move on.

1115
00:57:59,945 --> 00:58:03,457
And plus, at the ending, they
tend to make it too
short.

1116
00:58:03,457 --> 00:58:07,753
If it was a mid roll, they could
expand a little bit
on the

1117
00:58:07,753 --> 00:58:10,724
book, and you know what it's
about, and how they came to


1118
00:58:10,732 --> 00:58:13,770
write it, and stuff like that.
Absolutely, I agree with you,


1119
00:58:13,778 --> 00:58:17,918
and I think that the where this
ending does work well, it


1120
00:58:17,926 --> 00:58:20,062
answers the episode's main
question.

1121
00:58:20,062 --> 00:58:23,242
It makes room for
listeners
who may see the decision

1122
00:58:23,242 --> 00:58:27,168
differently, and it
widens the
story from Rick and Clancy's

1123
00:58:27,168 --> 00:58:31,587
specific situation to
the
listeners own parenting choices,

1124
00:58:31,587 --> 00:58:34,222
right?
And so we've
already, I have

1125
00:58:34,222 --> 00:58:37,594
some notes here about the CTA,
but I think we've
hit it

1126
00:58:37,594 --> 00:58:39,049
right.
Like they, yeah, they couldn't

1127
00:58:39,049 --> 00:58:41,374
really expand much
more
because they were at the very

1128
00:58:41,374 --> 00:58:44,562
end of the show, and it
would
probably would have been even

1129
00:58:44,562 --> 00:58:46,851
more effective if they did
it
mid roll.

1130
00:58:46,851 --> 00:58:50,260
So I'm with you there.
Dr, anyone else have
anything

1131
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:54,363
else they want to share before I
kind of share my final


1132
00:58:54,371 --> 00:58:56,335
thoughts?
Sid Meadows: Yeah, I want to


1133
00:58:56,343 --> 00:58:59,077
jump in real quick.
So I enjoy my relationship and

1134
00:58:59,077 --> 00:59:00,847
friendship
with Rick and
Clancy.

1135
00:59:00,847 --> 00:59:04,280
I enjoy their show.
I enjoyed this show,
but it

1136
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,212
needed a stronger CT at the end,
tell me what to do.


1137
00:59:07,220 --> 00:59:09,772
Tell me to go to your Facebook
group and come and join in.


1138
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:13,165
Right tell me to go.
Just tell rather than send me to

1139
00:59:13,165 --> 00:59:16,048
the
website.
Tell me what you want me to do

1140
00:59:16,048 --> 00:59:19,776
if I if I say listener
really
enjoyed, and they say all the

1141
00:59:19,776 --> 00:59:22,240
way to the end and they want

to take the next step with you.

1142
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,500
Is the is the next step really,
just go to your website, and if

1143
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:27,146
they are, what are they going to

see there?

1144
00:59:27,146 --> 00:59:28,350
Like, what is it that?
How are you going to bring


1145
00:59:28,358 --> 00:59:31,280
them into your community?
How are you going to get them on

1146
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,580

your email list?
Right?

1147
00:59:32,580 --> 00:59:34,542
There's so many opportunities
here.


1148
00:59:34,550 --> 00:59:38,842
Because if this is a niche like
this is a big niche.

1149
00:59:38,842 --> 00:59:42,240
So, you
know, lean into the
CTA and tell me what you want me

1150
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,395
to do.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, thank you.


1151
00:59:44,403 --> 00:59:47,580
Sid, anyone else with any Yeah,
let me go to Janae, and then


1152
00:59:47,588 --> 00:59:50,730
I'll go to Jonathan Go ahead.
Junaid, Junaid: morning,

1153
00:59:50,730 --> 00:59:52,990
everyone.

Excellent breakdown of the

1154
00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:57,445
episode and the podcast.
And on
that fourth clip, I was

1155
00:59:57,445 --> 01:00:00,050
like, you know, this is not a
podcast
for.

1156
01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:02,430
Empty Nesters alone.
It's for all parents, because,

1157
01:00:02,430 --> 01:00:06,606
as a
parent myself, of four
kids, you know, sure we might

1158
01:00:06,606 --> 01:00:11,820
treat one
kid different from
the other, and then the kid also

1159
01:00:11,820 --> 01:00:15,185
saying,
Hey, you treat me
different than the other younger

1160
01:00:15,185 --> 01:00:16,809
kids.
Or he
would ask me, like my

1161
01:00:16,809 --> 01:00:20,087
older one, like, is this how I
was when I
was younger?

1162
01:00:20,087 --> 01:00:23,340
On the behavior of the younger
kids like this, was
this, was

1163
01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:25,525
this how I was?
So that was interesting.

1164
01:00:25,525 --> 01:00:28,549
So it is
not a podcast for
just for emptiness.

1165
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:33,149
I think it's a
podcast for
parents with kids, because we

1166
01:00:33,149 --> 01:00:36,621
you know, either
they're in
grad school or either you have

1167
01:00:36,621 --> 01:00:40,587
an empty nest or not,
it's the
same kind of situation that you

1168
01:00:40,587 --> 01:00:42,691
go through.
And I love
what Sid shared.

1169
01:00:42,691 --> 01:00:45,820
You know, you need to have a
very specific
call to action.

1170
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:49,795
And for this specific episode, I
would say,
Hey, have you felt

1171
01:00:49,795 --> 01:00:53,116
the same way about your kids?
Go to the
Facebook community

1172
01:00:53,116 --> 01:00:55,573
and post, Hey, I just listened
to this
episode, and this is

1173
01:00:55,573 --> 01:00:59,086
how I would do so very specific.
They just
listened to the

1174
01:00:59,086 --> 01:01:02,331
episode, and then just saying,
Hey, this is
how I would

1175
01:01:02,331 --> 01:01:05,659
handle the situation, or this is
how I
already handle the

1176
01:01:05,659 --> 01:01:08,254
situation, because it's evoking
connection,
relatability,

1177
01:01:08,254 --> 01:01:13,259
about being a parent and how you
would treat
the different sex

1178
01:01:13,259 --> 01:01:15,451
child.
And then the book I would, I

1179
01:01:15,451 --> 01:01:17,950
would
say that they should
mention the book in the

1180
01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:20,015
beginning, because
it's the
same name, yep.

1181
01:01:20,015 --> 01:01:22,465
And so for the new people that
are
coming in, they're like,

1182
01:01:22,465 --> 01:01:24,970
hey, oh, there's the book also.
So
then as they're listening,

1183
01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:27,310
they're browsing Amazon as well,

yeah, to look for the book

1184
01:01:27,370 --> 01:01:28,336
thing.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, I'm with you

1185
01:01:28,336 --> 01:01:28,860
there.
Janae, thank you.

1186
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:31,270
I'm going to keep it moving.

Jonathan, what did you want to

1187
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:33,460
add final thoughts?
Jonathan Howard: So I'll be


1188
01:01:33,468 --> 01:01:35,700
really quick.
I honestly that last question

1189
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:39,290
that they asked,
the more I
listened through all the clips

1190
01:01:39,290 --> 01:01:40,890
and stuff that we
listened to
the more.

1191
01:01:40,890 --> 01:01:43,600
I think they needed to lead the
episode,
and I appreciate that

1192
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,769
it was a conversation that
uncovered and
got to that

1193
01:01:46,769 --> 01:01:49,143
point.
But I think they needed to lead

1194
01:01:49,143 --> 01:01:51,691
the episode
with that question
and that quick conversation

1195
01:01:51,691 --> 01:01:56,011
about, you
know, whether it
was because he was a, you know,

1196
01:01:56,011 --> 01:01:58,507
male, female,
whatever,
because that would have grabbed

1197
01:01:58,507 --> 01:02:01,363
people really
quick, and they
left the end where I don't know

1198
01:02:01,363 --> 01:02:03,463
that people
would have gotten
to it all the way, because even

1199
01:02:03,463 --> 01:02:05,755
Sid said he
wouldn't have,
maybe not listened all the way.

1200
01:02:06,295 --> 01:02:08,335
Marc Ronick: Yeah, and I think

that maybe some of this comes

1201
01:02:08,335 --> 01:02:10,639
down to a little bit more

structure, right?

1202
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:14,102
Like, if they really sat down,
and I don't,
I'm not saying

1203
01:02:14,102 --> 01:02:17,020
they didn't, right?
But maybe thinking about
where

1204
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:20,260
this conversation is going to
go, have a little almost like


1205
01:02:20,268 --> 01:02:22,024
a pre interview with each other,
right?

1206
01:02:22,024 --> 01:02:24,498
And talk about it,
because
they might have gotten to that

1207
01:02:24,498 --> 01:02:28,205
idea prior to the show,
and
then thought, oh, you know what?

1208
01:02:28,205 --> 01:02:30,050
This is going to create
the
suspense we need.

1209
01:02:30,050 --> 01:02:32,783
And then they could have
readjusted
things so structure

1210
01:02:32,783 --> 01:02:36,415
could have played a little more
of a role
there, perhaps, but

1211
01:02:36,415 --> 01:02:39,025
great points as well, and great
points all
around today.

1212
01:02:39,025 --> 01:02:42,205
Thank you guys.
I said the loud quiet has a

1213
01:02:42,205 --> 01:02:45,205
strong
foundation, for sure,
because Rick and Clancy have

1214
01:02:45,205 --> 01:02:46,705
something
that's hard to
manufacture.

1215
01:02:46,705 --> 01:02:49,657
They do have real chemistry.
They are
a married couple.

1216
01:02:49,657 --> 01:02:53,593
They have history and a clear
the clear
life stage that

1217
01:02:53,593 --> 01:02:56,738
they're embracing right now.
And the
best moments happen

1218
01:02:56,738 --> 01:03:00,055
when the conversation moves from
that
specific situation that

1219
01:03:00,055 --> 01:03:04,014
they're talking about into a
bigger
question, which I would

1220
01:03:04,014 --> 01:03:06,970
say is, do we help our adult
kids?

1221
01:03:06,970 --> 01:03:10,006
Do we
step back?
How do we know the difference?

1222
01:03:10,006 --> 01:03:12,022
Right?
That's the
heart of the

1223
01:03:12,022 --> 01:03:14,758
episode.
Rick and Clancy can bring the

1224
01:03:14,758 --> 01:03:18,406
kind of
question forward
earlier and invite listeners to

1225
01:03:18,406 --> 01:03:21,481
respond more
directly, like
Jonathan is saying the show

1226
01:03:21,481 --> 01:03:25,027
becomes easier
to follow,
easier to share, and easier to

1227
01:03:25,027 --> 01:03:28,429
connect with.
So
overall, I'd say, fantastic

1228
01:03:28,429 --> 01:03:30,463
job.
And I'm not just saying that


1229
01:03:30,471 --> 01:03:32,995
because they're former clients.
I think that it's clear.

1230
01:03:32,995 --> 01:03:36,475
It's
evident here, because we
did have a few people that are

1231
01:03:36,475 --> 01:03:38,155
their
direct audience, by the
way.

1232
01:03:38,155 --> 01:03:41,680
Side note, one of the things

that surprises one of segments

1233
01:03:41,740 --> 01:03:46,480
of demographics are the kids

themselves, not their kids, but

1234
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,840
kids their age, that are

listening because they're

1235
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,600
getting the kick out of hearing
how what the parents are

1236
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,894
thinking and how they're dealing

with things that situations

1237
01:03:55,894 --> 01:03:58,355
that they're in.
I found that really


1238
01:03:58,363 --> 01:03:59,402
fascinating.
Great job.

1239
01:03:59,402 --> 01:04:02,052
Rick and Clancy.
Appreciate you guys


1240
01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:04,488
submitting.
I've actually been hounding them

1241
01:04:04,488 --> 01:04:07,702
for a little while
to submit.
I thought they would be a great

1242
01:04:07,702 --> 01:04:10,027
example to break
down, and I'm
glad they did.

1243
01:04:10,027 --> 01:04:11,191
So thank you.
Great job.

1244
01:04:11,191 --> 01:04:13,752
The loud
quiet.
If you want to check out that

1245
01:04:13,752 --> 01:04:17,965
episode, go to podcasting

morning show.com/loud quiet, and

1246
01:04:17,965 --> 01:04:21,985
remember to join us tomorrow at
8am Eastern here at podcasting

1247
01:04:21,985 --> 01:04:25,681
morning show.com/join us.
We'll
have Rob Greenlee join

1248
01:04:25,681 --> 01:04:29,238
us, and we'll be talking about
some
controversy based off of

1249
01:04:29,238 --> 01:04:32,680
some things he said, which we
felt
were maybe harmless, and

1250
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,422
it got way blown out of
proportion, but
we're going to

1251
01:04:35,422 --> 01:04:38,698
get his perspective on
podcasting and
podcasting 2.0

1252
01:04:38,698 --> 01:04:43,778
so come join us tomorrow, 8am
Eastern and until
then, make

1253
01:04:43,778 --> 01:04:46,060
it a great day.
Everybody.

1254
01:04:46,060 --> 01:04:47,410
Take care.
Bye.