299 - Tackling Taboo Topics and Mental Health in Podcasting

1
00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,520
Good morning podcasting morning
chat.

2
00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,440
Today is Thursday, May 7th and
today we're discussing how we

3
00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,079
address taboo is stigmatized
topics in podcasting,

4
00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,040
particularly in as it relates to
mental health.

5
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,320
But we're not just talking about
what's uncomfortable.

6
00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,640
We're exploring how audio
storyteller can change and

7
00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,360
challenge systems, amplify
hidden truths, and all for

8
00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,119
healing without compromising
sensitivity.

9
00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,440
Whether you're a podcaster, a
mental health advocate, or just

10
00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:41,160
curious, this space is for you.
So lean in, listen deeply, and

11
00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:45,480
don't be afraid to share boldly.
Let's rewrite the way we talk

12
00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,720
about what matters.
So if you're listening here live

13
00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,520
here on Clubhouse, please hit
the share button at the bottom

14
00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,600
left hand side of the screen and
share it.

15
00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,800
However, Clubhouse allows you to
do that.

16
00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,320
And if you're listening via
podcaster YouTube, please share

17
00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,280
this podcast with a fellow
podcaster.

18
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,160
Now give us 30 seconds to allow
people to do As my grandmother

19
00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,960
would say, come on in the room.
We are so glad you're here.

20
00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,120
Now, I admit that was not quite
30 seconds, but I'm a podcaster.

21
00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,960
Forgive me.
I like to talk, right.

22
00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,080
So again, good morning,
everyone.

23
00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,960
Thank you so much for welcome
and coming into the podcasting

24
00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,000
morning chat.
If you're new here, this is your

25
00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,160
first time.
Hey, welcome.

26
00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,240
So glad you're here.
My name is Dominic Lawson, and

27
00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,880
I'm going to kind of take the
reins here as marks over there

28
00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,280
gallivanting around Spain.
Yes, I did use the word

29
00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,680
gallivanting.
So again, I do have my partners

30
00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,320
in crime here.
We do have Ashley, Dan, Dr.

31
00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,320
Nicholas, Jonathan who's going
to kind of be my copilot today

32
00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,840
in this discussion and Sid
Meadows.

33
00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,440
Good morning everybody.
How's everybody doing this

34
00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,960
morning?
So listen, let me just talk

35
00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,840
about why we are here today.
So today is May 7th and so we

36
00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,600
are definitely in the the first
quarter of mental health

37
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,880
awareness month.
And as many people may know, I

38
00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,160
am creating a brand new project
called Mental Health Rewritten

39
00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,600
where we talk about these very
things, these stigmatized

40
00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,440
topics, these taboo topics, if
you will.

41
00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,960
And podcasting is always been, I
believe, a great form and a

42
00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,720
great platform to have these
conversations.

43
00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,640
But before I get deeply into
today's conversation, I do

44
00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:44,160
understand that today is
Wednesday and so you got to have

45
00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,800
a little bit of news when you're
doing the podcasting morning

46
00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,520
chat.
So I'll just share a little bit

47
00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,840
of news today.
So the Communicator Award

48
00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,120
winners were announced yesterday
and we do have a few winners in

49
00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,640
this community that I definitely
wanted to kind of highlight, if

50
00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,360
you will, my wife, our show, The
B Word was able to win a few

51
00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,880
Communicator awards.
So I'm definitely excited about

52
00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,800
that.
But also Amanda Yola with her

53
00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,840
show picked up two Communicator
Awards as well.

54
00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,400
So we definitely want to make
sure we champion that as well.

55
00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,600
Now before I kind of move on, I
want to see if any of the

56
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,960
moderators want to kind of chime
in or anything.

57
00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,280
I should share just now because
I don't want to hog the mic.

58
00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,000
That'll be just kind of
terrible.

59
00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,120
Dominic, congratulations to your
wife and to Amanda.

60
00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,640
Yo, that's really awesome.
Was she excited?

61
00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:37,840
She was she was actually, as far
as my wife goes, I texted her

62
00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,400
while she was at work and her
phone was dead all day, so

63
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,480
everybody kind of knew it before
she did.

64
00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,720
So that's kind of funny.
And as far as Amanda Yole go,

65
00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,640
she actually texted me yesterday
morning.

66
00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,560
She was like, I think I want to
communicate awards like, yeah,

67
00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,120
you did because I saw your name
there.

68
00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,360
So we had a conversation
yesterday morning as well.

69
00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,440
So I was really excited about
that.

70
00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,160
So I think it just goes to show
see it that like, you know,

71
00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,840
again, one night when I talk
about, you know, submitting for

72
00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,360
awards in this community to just
bet on yourself, right, And and

73
00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,640
just see where it goes because
you just never know, you know,

74
00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,920
what may happen, what you can
also even leverage when it comes

75
00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,880
to winning awards, being
nominated for awards, things of

76
00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,680
that nature.
So definitely excited for both

77
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,720
of them and also all of the
winners as well.

78
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,440
Like to shout out a few people,
Tony Kennedy for what's pop and

79
00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,600
Penny, a very fantastic
children's show as well.

80
00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,680
And also my good friend
Christine Mcpartland, who has a

81
00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,640
show called Mind the Force,
which is a Star Wars theme

82
00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,240
mental health podcast that I
really appreciate.

83
00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,240
She was also an Amy nominee as
well.

84
00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,600
So definitely shout out to them
as well.

85
00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,320
And anybody else who picked up
Communicator Awards as well

86
00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,120
yesterday come particularly
Independent podcast as we really

87
00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,640
care about the big ones.
I kid, I'm just joking.

88
00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,080
Anyways, let's get to today's
topic.

89
00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,960
So like I said, you know,
working on a new project, it

90
00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,840
actually launches a week from
today and I'm really excited

91
00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:12,880
about it.
And I'm glad Dan's here because

92
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,320
I was able to collaborate with
him on this very project that

93
00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,760
I'm super excited about.
The reason I want to have this

94
00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,920
conversation today, it's because
I believe as relates to tough

95
00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,520
topics, particularly when it
comes to mental health, that

96
00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,640
it's important to call what
something is what it is.

97
00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,040
And forgive the redundancy, but
The thing is, you know how we

98
00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,880
have, you know, we have YouTube
channels and podcasts and stuff

99
00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,080
like that where people will say
on alive as opposed to something

100
00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,360
else, right?
They'll say, you know, or, you

101
00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,040
know, if something happens as
relates to a sexual assault, if

102
00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,720
you will, they won't say those
things.

103
00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,360
They'll say essay or something
like that.

104
00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,800
And let me just say this now as
a disclaimer.

105
00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,280
If any of these topics or themes
that we talked about today could

106
00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:06,480
be triggering, just know that it
is OK to kind of take a break or

107
00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,240
leave the room.
We definitely want to have that

108
00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,800
disclaimer and protect you and
your mental health as we have

109
00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,560
these conversations.
But I think honestly, it's

110
00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,000
important to say what The thing
is and I think you could do that

111
00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,160
in a respectful manner.
I was having a conversation with

112
00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,400
a friend of mine the other day.
He was asking me about, you

113
00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,760
know, the type of topics that
we're going to talk about on

114
00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,760
mental health rewritten, and one
of those is suicide.

115
00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,080
And he asked me, well,
Dominique, you know, are you

116
00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,800
actually going to say that word
or like, well, yes, I am.

117
00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,440
Because I think sometimes when
we don't call the thing what The

118
00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,720
thing is, that only heightens
the shame, that only heightens

119
00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,440
the stigma, that only heightens
the taboo Ness of something,

120
00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,800
right?
And so if we're trying to help

121
00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,840
people save lives as it relates
to mental health and what

122
00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,400
happens between our ears, I
think it's important to call it

123
00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,200
what it is.
And I don't think you have to

124
00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,080
be, you know, salacious.
I don't think you have to be

125
00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,840
over the top with it.
But I guess I just want to kind

126
00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,520
of throw the first question out
to the room when you are talking

127
00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,880
about tough topics, taboo
topics, things that have stigma

128
00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,040
attached to them, even if you
mean it in a joyful in a helpful

129
00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,520
way or something like that, how
do you address them?

130
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,600
How do you have to, how are you
able to maintain the balance

131
00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,960
between over the top, but also
being respectful that that

132
00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,880
question makes sense and that
question is just for the floor.

133
00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,880
Whoever wants to answer that, go
ahead, Sid.

134
00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,440
So I've had a couple of these on
my podcast topics that I don't

135
00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,720
know a lot about and that maybe
I'm a little uncomfortable with.

136
00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,640
And I try to approach them with
curiosity and asking questions

137
00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,240
to understand the topic and not
judge it or offer an opinion on

138
00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,280
it.
I just try to be curious about

139
00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,360
it in hopes that we can impart
some value to the listener to

140
00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,120
who likely is being in the same
position I am in, that they

141
00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,800
don't understand it to bring
clarity to it and understanding.

142
00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,120
So that's curiosity is the word
that came to mind.

143
00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,360
Dominic No, I, I love that and I
appreciate that.

144
00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,240
And that's actually one of the
strategies that I often use in

145
00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,640
my work, even dating back to my
work at Meadows Behavioral

146
00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,799
Healthcare, No relation to Sid
Meadows, by the way.

147
00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,600
I feel like I have to say that.
But yeah, you're absolutely

148
00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,799
right.
You know, so as a, as a person

149
00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:43,039
who is not a clinician, strictly
has empathy and, and, and sees

150
00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,640
himself as a mental health
advocate, definitely just want

151
00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,200
to walk into the room and just
be curious.

152
00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,920
Like don't talk.
Don't just shut up and just

153
00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,720
listen and, and be curious.
So I, I definitely rock with

154
00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,960
that.
See it for sure.

155
00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,680
And I definitely want to get Dan
in here because I know Dan

156
00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,840
definitely know something about
this as we have had

157
00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,240
conversations about very
sensitive topics.

158
00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,960
Go ahead, Dan.
Hey, thank you and good morning.

159
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,880
I had to think about this one
for a minute and and reflect on

160
00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,520
how I've managed to navigate
conversations that may be

161
00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,560
sensitive.
And I'll tell you the biggest

162
00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:24,280
thing I've learned is sometimes
trying to be sensitive to the

163
00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:30,600
topic can be more difficult or
create more stress in the

164
00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,200
environment than just being
direct.

165
00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,040
And I absolutely agree with
being curious and listening, but

166
00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,800
not trying to sugarcoat anything
is what I found to be most

167
00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,280
effective.
You know, if if we're talking

168
00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,560
about suicide, well, would you
want to be direct?

169
00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:50,600
If we're talking about sexual
assault, you want to be direct.

170
00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,800
Call it what it is and still be
curious.

171
00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:59,080
That would be my $0.02. 100%
like I, like I said at the top

172
00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,760
of this show, right, like I
think, you know, and to your

173
00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,760
point is like that hesitation, I
think sometimes that hesitation

174
00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,200
in that, that over correction,
if you would of hesitation, I

175
00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,680
guess can sometimes cause harm.
Because I, I think one of the

176
00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,240
things that we know, whether
it's, you know, a behavioral

177
00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,160
health challenge or even a
physical health challenge,

178
00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,560
right?
Once we know what the diagnosis

179
00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:25,600
is, once we know what a thing
is, the level of empowerment

180
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,280
that you have, they're like,
okay, I know what this is.

181
00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,280
We know how to confront this
now.

182
00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,520
And now we can build a path
forward as to healing and, and

183
00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,440
things of that nature.
And I just want to reiterate

184
00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,560
that me and Dan collaborated on
this very conversation as a

185
00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,360
relates to sexual assault.
And we had a fantastic

186
00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,040
conversation that I think it's
going to help a lot of people,

187
00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,080
if you will.
And also I would be remiss

188
00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,440
because my marketing team is
going to be upset with me.

189
00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,800
I have to let you know that the
new trailer of Mental Health

190
00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,800
Rewritten trailer #2 is now out
today just as a few hours ago.

191
00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,080
So make sure you check that out
as we can a ramp up for the

192
00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,360
brand new project that launches
a week from now.

193
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,760
Hey, Nick, I think I saw your
hand up next and then Alexandra.

194
00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,520
So I'm gonna go to you first,
Sir, if you don't mind.

195
00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,480
Yeah, I wanted to ask a
question, but I don't want to

196
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,960
derail where we're going.
So go to Alexandra 1st and then

197
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,280
we can come back.
Alright, we'll we'll swing it

198
00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,120
back around to you.
Alexandra, go for it.

199
00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,440
How are you, ma'am?
Hey, yeah, I had to make sure

200
00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,880
that I was up for this
conversation.

201
00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,120
Is actually funny.
Just for clarity, we're talking

202
00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,480
about how to approach subjects
when you're trying to talk.

203
00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,120
About tough subjects, you know,
particularly as it relates to

204
00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,840
mental health and behavioral
health.

205
00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,200
But if it if it's not, you know,
go for it.

206
00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,840
I think that there's also some
importance there, but go for it.

207
00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,960
Oh no, 'cause I will say, even
though I am not by any means

208
00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,600
necessary a health provider, I
feel like I am uniquely

209
00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,960
qualified because I tell people
all the time I'm an alphabet

210
00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,800
soup of mental and emotional
issues.

211
00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,880
And my thing is, if you want to
know something asked me because

212
00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,840
I was raised by mom, whose whole
mentality about when she would

213
00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,960
deal with people is like you
might not like when you stand

214
00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,840
with me, but you go no, will you
stand with me?

215
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,080
She has AT shirt that she loves
to wear now and it says I match

216
00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,680
energy.
So how we act in today, and I

217
00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:26,160
feel like to a certain extent,
that's the mentality I feel

218
00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,160
would be the best when
approaching sensitive topics,

219
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,120
especially if you if you're not
someone in that community.

220
00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,200
Because, and I'm going to equate
it kind of sort of to the whole

221
00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:43,360
racial tension thing is that if
you don't call it out, then

222
00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,440
people are just going to then
pick.

223
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,040
It makes it easier for people to
put their head in it, you know,

224
00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,760
to pull an ostrich, put their
head down and just be like,

225
00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,360
well, that's not what she meant
because it leaves too much open

226
00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,320
for interpretation and the
conversation.

227
00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,600
That's where things always in my
opinion go South is when they

228
00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,080
certain things are left to
interpretation.

229
00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,800
So just I'm going to quote my
mother because I love her.

230
00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:10,360
So just call a pig, pork and an
elephant heavy and just say it.

231
00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,160
Don't tiptoe it around around it
because it just as someone again

232
00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,480
speaking from someone in that
space, I don't want to be

233
00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,200
treated like I made a glass
because that just that just

234
00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,000
makes me feel even worse.
I'm not made of porcelain.

235
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,080
No, I feel that.
I feel that.

236
00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,640
Thank you, Alexandra.
First of all, by the way, let

237
00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,440
your mom not want to borrow that
shirt or ask her where I can get

238
00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,320
that shirt from because I'm all
about that.

239
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,200
But no, you're absolutely right.
And again, I think it, it leads

240
00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,840
to, you know, what we were
talking about early as far as

241
00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,520
like, call it for what it is.
And I think, and I'm glad Denise

242
00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,640
is here.
Denise is a trauma therapist.

243
00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,280
She's in the audience there.
She's also somebody I've

244
00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,560
consulted with as it relates to
the creation of mental health

245
00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:55,400
rewritten.
That's one of the things I

246
00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,000
learned at the Meadows where
it's like, you know, they don't

247
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,960
tiptoe around these things that
are happening, right?

248
00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,040
They really do call something
what it is with compassion, with

249
00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,560
love, but also with honesty,
right?

250
00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:13,200
And I think that honesty piece
is so important when it comes to

251
00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,480
having these conversations,
particularly on a platform like

252
00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,840
podcasting that is definitely
growing for sure.

253
00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,200
So before we kind of shift
gears, well, you know Jonathan,

254
00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,800
I think you had your hand
raised.

255
00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,240
So Jonathan is my copilot here
today.

256
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,240
Jonathan, I think you want to
chime in here before we get the

257
00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,840
Nick, before we kind of switch
gears here.

258
00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,720
Yeah.
So I just wanted to actually

259
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,400
with what Alexander said, you
know, what's really important

260
00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880
for me when you're dealing with
subjects as you've got somebody

261
00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,320
in the room that is deeply in,
you know, understands the

262
00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,280
information or has gone through
an experience so that you have

263
00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,840
somebody that you can refer to
in these in these instances.

264
00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,640
Storytelling is going to be huge
when you're dealing with this

265
00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,320
because you want people that
really know what's going on and

266
00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,840
what's happening.
And you know, it's a great to

267
00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,320
have an example in order to
discuss these topics.

268
00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,680
Well said, Sir.
Thank you, Jonathan.

269
00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,520
I appreciate that.
Yeah, I will say when the first

270
00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,800
time I got treated back in 2015,
my first mental breakdown, I'll

271
00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,920
just, like I said, call it out.
My outpatient group therapy, we

272
00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,240
weren't allowed to actually say
what the trauma or what the

273
00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,160
issue was that we were talking
about when we were in Group

274
00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,680
because it could trigger someone
else.

275
00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,400
And like, well, that's not
helpful.

276
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,520
It's not helpful to not be able
to say what happened to me and

277
00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,200
have to use code words when
we're all here.

278
00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,640
Not necessarily for the same
exact experience, but it's not

279
00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,240
helpful.
Absolutely.

280
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,640
And I and I appreciate you
sharing that and going deeper

281
00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,480
with that Alexandra for sure.
Hey, Nick, what's going on, man?

282
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,120
You say you wanted to kind of
ask a question posed to the

283
00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:53,840
wrong.
Go for it.

284
00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,080
I'll answer sort of answer the
question that you asked and then

285
00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,320
I have a follow up question for
you.

286
00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:06,040
So I know my wife worked in a
wide range of jobs helping

287
00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:12,600
people with a variety of mental
health issues from autism, like

288
00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,240
super low functioning to high
functioning.

289
00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,200
And I think one of the biggest
things I've learned from

290
00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:24,040
watching her through a lot of
that was no matter what it is,

291
00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:29,520
whatever the mental health or
physical health thing is, is

292
00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,560
remembering that everybody's a
person.

293
00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,320
We're all people.
Everybody wants to be treated

294
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,640
like a person no matter what it
is, and I think that's that's

295
00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,040
something that I recognize with
her.

296
00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,600
It didn't matter if it person
was extremely low functioning or

297
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,920
high functioning, they got
treated like a person and they

298
00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,840
appreciated that to an extreme
level.

299
00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,760
Because you, I think I'm not
speaking from my experience

300
00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,760
personally, I have feelings
towards this.

301
00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:07,240
When people are confronted with
a situation like that where say

302
00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,480
you run into somebody and they
say, well, oh, I have autism or

303
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,839
whatever it is something you're
not, might not be familiar with.

304
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,720
It can be very easy to kind of
like what Alexander was saying,

305
00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,000
like kind of lock down or
pretend like, oh, OK, we're just

306
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,560
going to skirt around that
conversation.

307
00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,440
And I think majority of the
times those people don't want

308
00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,280
that.
It feels like they're being kind

309
00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,720
of pushed aside or they're
different or they're not a part

310
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,040
of something.
So I think the biggest thing is

311
00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,480
greeting them like you would any
other person and not screw

312
00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:44,800
around the fact like, yeah, all
right, so let's talk about that.

313
00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,040
Let's talk about the
conversation.

314
00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,360
Let's have the conversation.
Let's still address whatever

315
00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,560
we're going to address.
It doesn't change the

316
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,360
conversation that's happening.
I think that's huge.

317
00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,200
But again, this is I I don't
have the the personal first hand

318
00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,040
experience.
I've just seen it a lot and hear

319
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,160
my wife talk about it a lot that
it does bring up some some

320
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,560
feelings for me.
Now my question and something

321
00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,880
that you kind of alluded to at
the beginning here, Jonathan or

322
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,280
Jonathan Dominic, I've seen on
social media where people will

323
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,920
use like abbreviations or
they'll change the words and

324
00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,040
things like that.
And my thought was that those

325
00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,360
were being used as a way to not
get their content limited or

326
00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,720
shadow band or muted on the
channels.

327
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,840
Because I do know that
everything's being kind of

328
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,960
moderated to an extent.
And I think that can throw some

329
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,840
confusion into the mix as well,
because you hear people on

330
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,120
social media using different
terms and phrases and not

331
00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:47,520
calling it for what it is, but
it's a way to actually get the

332
00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,680
content out there to actually
share the stories and talk about

333
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,720
it.
But to someone not understanding

334
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,400
that, they might see it as kind
of skirting around the issue and

335
00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,400
not wanting to come out and say
it.

336
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,480
So I guess it's it's not as much
of a question, it's kind of a

337
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,640
question, but more of a like how
do you go about addressing that?

338
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,440
Yeah, you know, it's, it's
interesting and I and I thank

339
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,520
you for that question, Jonathan
and Alexandra, I do see.

340
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,840
So give me just a second here if
you don't mind me addressing

341
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,480
this.
So in the three years that I

342
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:27,320
worked at the Meadows and the
range of topics that we talked

343
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,040
about and the language that were
used in those conversations,

344
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,640
even now, to be fair, this
didn't go on social media,

345
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,960
right?
Many of many of those words or

346
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,040
buzzwords that you're talking
about didn't go on social media.

347
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,480
So that might be the caveat
here, right?

348
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,400
But in the three years that we
had those conversations about

349
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,320
dying by suicide, sexual
assault, things of that nature,

350
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,720
I never had any content taken
down, not one time.

351
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,600
Right now, I don't know if
that's because of it's

352
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,880
podcasting.
I don't know.

353
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,720
That's because we weren't doing
Joe Rogan numbers.

354
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:09,360
I don't know if whatever, right?
But what I will say is as we go

355
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,200
into this next chapter, mental
health, we've written, I'm going

356
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,760
to keep that same energy to kind
of quote Alexandra's mom's

357
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,240
T-shirt, if you will.
I'm going to keep that same

358
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,680
energy because again, I
definitely understand about

359
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,040
like.
To your point, like making sure

360
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,880
you know the content is didn't
get taken down, so you use those

361
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,040
clever like SA or something like
that.

362
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,520
I definitely understand that
because you want the information

363
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,640
out there and ultimately that's
what's important.

364
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,880
But sometimes just as important
is to call it for what it is,

365
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,560
right?
And not skating around that.

366
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,880
So and listen, we are all
content creators here in this

367
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,320
room, right?
And I'm not here to tell you

368
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,640
what is right or wrong for your
strategy, what you're trying to

369
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,600
do this, that and the other.
I just know for Dominic and

370
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,400
Dominic's goals and what he's
trying to do with, with his show

371
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,120
and his content and mental
health be written, he's trying

372
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:05,000
to save lives.
So if you take the content down

373
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000
and, and, and so be it, that's
just a casualty of war.

374
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,800
That's just going to have to be
what it is, right?

375
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,800
I'm going to call it for what it
is because that is how in my

376
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,400
working with, you know,
therapist and clinicians, they

377
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,360
called for what it is with a
sense of honesty, with a sense

378
00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,200
of integrity and all those
things, right?

379
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:27,560
And that is, again, that is not
to shun anybody or to put down

380
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,360
anybody who use those
strategies.

381
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,320
Nick, let's be very clear.
I just know that's not what

382
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,480
Dominic's mission is.
And so I'm going to to do that,

383
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,360
but also you're going to have
those triggers, you're going to

384
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:41,080
put those disclaimers in like,
hey, this conversation is going

385
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,560
the episode when we when we have
Dan on episode 3, right?

386
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,920
Like best believe there's going
to multiple disclaimers and

387
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,040
things of that nature because
that is a very touchy subject,

388
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,040
if you will.
So I just want to address what

389
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,800
Nick was saying.
I think Jonathan and Alexander

390
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,920
had to say something.
Let's go to Jonathan.

391
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,320
Go ahead, man.
And I just wanted to say just

392
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,280
because there are other people
listening and I want to be very

393
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,040
clear that autism is a
neurological developmental

394
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,560
condition.
And in and of itself, autism is

395
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,600
not a mental illness.
It's but individuals who have

396
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,520
autism or on the autism spectrum
do have increased risk of mental

397
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,600
illness.
So I just wanted to say that so

398
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,960
anybody didn't trigger anybody
and they're aware of that.

399
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,520
Thank you, Jonathan.
I appreciate that.

400
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,960
Go ahead, Alexandria.
Alexandra, I'm sorry.

401
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,240
Well, first of all, to answer,
Nick, this is in my opinion,

402
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,640
like you said, Dominic, you just
did.

403
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,080
That's what trigger warnings
before.

404
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,360
Like I'll put it out there, I
like dark romance.

405
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,120
But one of the things that I
appreciate about the authors

406
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:46,240
that write it, that I read is in
the book blurbs, they always

407
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,440
have the trigger warnings.
And then also when you download

408
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,320
the book, the trigger warnings
are like the second or third

409
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,000
page after copyright so that you
have the warning.

410
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,760
You've been warned multiple
times in multiple locations if

411
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,040
you don't want to go forward
with the book.

412
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,280
So trigger warnings in my
opinion, on your content when

413
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,880
you're on, whether it's a video
or a podcast episode, if you put

414
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,400
the trigger warnings in the
episode description and then you

415
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,040
put it at the top of the episode
and then I guess commercial

416
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,040
breaks when you come back from
the breaks or whatever, it's

417
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,880
like we're about to dive into
this subject.

418
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240
So it if proceed with proceed at
your own.

419
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,320
I don't proceed at your own risk
kind of thing.

420
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,960
But I will also say not to
change this, but because I can't

421
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,560
remember what it was that
Jonathan was saying.

422
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,720
It's a nick.
But there's just like there's a

423
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:43,280
flip side to everything.
Having a mental disorder or

424
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,560
neurological developmental
disorder does not give you the

425
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,480
right to be a Jackass either
because there are people who

426
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,760
will use it as a justification.
If somebody doesn't want is

427
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,520
trying to get on the subject,
'cause they're trying to be,

428
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,440
they're trying to be sensitive
and they will be a joke about

429
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,240
it.
And they're like, well, why

430
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,320
don't you just say that?
And I'm like, they're trying to

431
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,080
be sensitive.
Maybe they're coming by the

432
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,480
wrong way, but you don't have to
be a Dick about it either.

433
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:12,480
So I did just want to call that
out too, because I will say I've

434
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,160
been a victim of sometimes using
my mental or emotional state to

435
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,920
excuse things that I've done.
That's not fair.

436
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280
I've recognized that.
That's been a very big bone of

437
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,240
contention between me and my mom
because it's part of why she and

438
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,280
I don't hear each other because
she has what's called high

439
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,880
functioning depression, which is
you don't.

440
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,080
It doesn't seem like she's
depressed because she's always,

441
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,680
she doesn't have the typical
symptoms that people see, but

442
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,360
she is depressed.
She just fine, but she has the

443
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,400
ability to push through and
that's something that she does

444
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,240
all the time and she pushes
through too much.

445
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,040
I don't push through enough and
neither of us know how to get to

446
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,720
a happy medium.
Thank you.

447
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,040
For sharing that and I'm glad
you brought that up because one

448
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,160
of the things I've learned, you
know, over the years, even

449
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,880
before I got into mental health
and behavioral health work was

450
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,120
that like depression doesn't
look like the same for everybody

451
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,400
else just like grief doesn't
look the same for every single

452
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,040
person, right.
You know, because one of the

453
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,800
things I, I, I have seen and
just studying the entertainment

454
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,200
land space landscape that like
comedians, you know, often have

455
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,000
some of the highest, you know,
degrees of depression as they're

456
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,120
making us laugh, right?
You know, that's why they tell

457
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,040
you to check on your strong
friends, right?

458
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,120
So definitely appreciate you
sharing that, Alexandra.

459
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,120
And it's kind of leads me to the
next question as relates to when

460
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,440
we were talking about trigger
warnings and disclaimers and,

461
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,080
and things of that nature.
Because sometimes when we talk

462
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,480
about these have these
conversations, these

463
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,760
conversations can get really
heavy, right?

464
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,600
And they can definitely get
heavy for your listeners.

465
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,440
So I'm curious question to the
floor is when you do talk about

466
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,720
these, these topics and these
conversations and these taboo

467
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,920
things, if you will, how do you
approach community care when

468
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,640
producing this heavy content?
Because again, as you're

469
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,640
crafting this community as
podcasters, you have this

470
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,560
community is not just a podcast,
maybe it's the newsletter, maybe

471
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,840
it's the blog.
So I'm curious to the floor, how

472
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,160
do you curate that comfort and
that care when it comes to the

473
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,760
community?
And before anybody answers that,

474
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600
I want to make sure I shout out
Amanda, yo, Amanda yo, a two

475
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,480
time communicator winner
yesterday.

476
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,040
You must have heard us talking
about you, Amanda, yesterday.

477
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,920
She's in the audience now, so I
want to make sure I shout her

478
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,680
out there.
So kudos to you, Amanda.

479
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,120
You do fantabulous work and it
clearly shows.

480
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,400
So kudos to you on your, I
believe I remember correctly,

481
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960
your award of excellence and
your award of distinction

482
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,760
yesterday.
And that's clearly, it may be

483
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,880
time for you to get a new trophy
case, if you will, if you're

484
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,000
going to be stacking up these
communicator awards as it

485
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,720
relates to talking about your
wins from last year.

486
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,800
So just want to make sure I
shouted her out.

487
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,600
But yes, as you have these tough
conversations and, and

488
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,120
introduced them to your
community, how do you, how do

489
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,800
you introduce community care to
your audience?

490
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,000
If you don't mind?
Go ahead for it, Dan.

491
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,320
Go for it, Dan.
Hey, thank you, Dominic.

492
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,880
I think it's a good question.
I want to clarify that these are

493
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,840
not topics that I would
typically discuss on my own

494
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,320
shows.
However, that said, from a

495
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:25,160
community care aspect, my my
best advice if I can offer that

496
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,840
would be, you know, whatever the
topic is that's being discussed

497
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,040
or addressed in your content,
but offering direct care

498
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,840
resources or steps that people
can take to receive support is

499
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,960
one way to address the community
care perspective.

500
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,240
No, I appreciate that, Dan.
Thank you so much.

501
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Any anybody else wants to kind
of chime in here?

502
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,040
If not, that's OK.
I understand.

503
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Go ahead, Dr. OK, Dr. then
Alexandra, go ahead.

504
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:04,560
OK, so one of my clients is a
retired pediatrician, and she

505
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:10,360
did last year, she did an
episode on palliative care.

506
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:11,800
I hope I'm pronouncing that
right.

507
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,880
It's basically Hospice.
But since she's a pediatrician,

508
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,520
this would be Hospice for
children.

509
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:28,040
And trying to get through that
episode, trying to edit that

510
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:34,280
episode was just beyond me.
I had to stop several times

511
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:41,800
during the session even there's
parts where the mother is

512
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:47,080
talking about how the nurse came
in to to feed the baby and she

513
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,480
turned in to the nurse and said
please let me let me do that

514
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,880
with all these tubes and
everything all around.

515
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,040
Let me do that because it's this
is the only chance I have to

516
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,120
actually feed my own child.
So it was tough.

517
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,200
I'm I am not a mother.
And it just got to the core of

518
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,520
me and I had to leave the house.
I had to get out.

519
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:18,080
So I wound up going to Starbucks
in the middle of our Target here

520
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,400
in Nashville.
And I was just sitting there

521
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,040
kind of reverberating from this
session, this edit session that

522
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,040
I was in and and this woman,
because it's a very tiny, tiny

523
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,280
place, so everyone is just
shares tables and chairs and

524
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360
everything.
And so this woman was sharing a

525
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,040
table with me.
And she kind of looked the same

526
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,160
way I did.
And she said, tough day, huh?

527
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,120
And I said, oh, man, you don't
know.

528
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,600
And she said, yeah, me too.
And I told her what I did.

529
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,840
And I told her that I was
editing this show about children

530
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,240
who are dying and palliative
care.

531
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,040
And she looked at me and she
said, oh, my God.

532
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,560
She says, this is the only time.
She says I have heard the word

533
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,640
palliative care twice in one
day.

534
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,400
Now.
She says, I've never heard the

535
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,560
word before.
And now I've heard it twice in

536
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,800
one day.
She says, my husband's son, who

537
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,360
is 12 years old, he is in
palliative care right now.

538
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,480
And we just sat there and kind
of with these silent tears

539
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,320
running down our face and she
reached over and grabbed my hand

540
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,080
and I grabbed her hand and it
was just, we didn't even have to

541
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,400
say anything.
We just kind of was there for

542
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,960
each other.
It was just wild.

543
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,520
I so much appreciate you sharing
that, Dr. because I think that

544
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,800
this is the piece that I don't
think we talked about enough

545
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,400
when it comes to behavioral
health and mental health

546
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,520
podcasting, if you will, Because
it's one thing to do like an

547
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520
episode, if you will, but if
like your entire episode or your

548
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,000
entire show is about this thing,
that is something that is a

549
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720
continuous thing.
Is that self-care piece after

550
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,120
you have this experience with an
interviewee, right?

551
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,400
And I think it also it's
important to highlight the

552
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,520
self-care part on the host to do
that.

553
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,240
For me, that looks like
PlayStation clinical hours,

554
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,440
right?
For somebody else, it could be

555
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,600
Starbucks, for somebody else, it
could be something ink.

556
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,440
But I think it's important to
like when we have these tough

557
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,040
conversations in these, you
know, in these these things, if

558
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,880
you will, it's definitely
important to have that self-care

559
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,920
in place, especially.
And I don't know and they are

560
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,280
clearly we are in the same
frequency when it comes to this,

561
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,640
especially and probably many
people as well, especially when

562
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,440
it relates to children, right?
And if there's some type of

563
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,280
vulnerability when it comes to
children, it just it just hits

564
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,640
different as the young kids say
it hits different, right?

565
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,960
And so I think it's important to
have those self-care items and

566
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:04,280
strategies and culture building
in place when we're tackling

567
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,000
these topics, if you will.
So I definitely appreciate that.

568
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Go ahead, Dr. It was just
amazing how these two

569
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:20,000
individuals who don't know each
other, who met in this tiny

570
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,120
little Starbucks in the middle
of Target, that were the same

571
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,440
exact thing was going on in
their head.

572
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,120
For her, it was her stepchild.
For me, it was just something

573
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,120
that I was editing, but it was
still a child who was dying that

574
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,200
touched us in some way.
And it was just amazing to me

575
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:52,800
how two random people would come
together in a random place and

576
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,760
have this thing that they're
sharing.

577
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,400
I think that's just the power of
the human experience.

578
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Call it kismet, call this some
type of higher divine

579
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,680
intervention or whatever.
I think oftentimes part of the

580
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,960
human experience is knowing that
when somebody is kind of hurting

581
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,080
and that empathy just kind of
shows up, if you will, right at

582
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,760
the at the perfect moment, at
the perfect time, right.

583
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,240
So thank you for for sharing
that, Dr. really appreciate

584
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,440
that.
Go ahead, Alexandra.

585
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,680
So first I was saying always
list the available resources

586
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,960
that are related to whatever the
topic is.

587
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:34,280
But I will say for me, my mom,
there's several signs when I'm

588
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:42,080
in a spiral that she can't see.
One is I get very, very

589
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,360
irritated very, very easily for
no reason.

590
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,920
Like things that normally don't
bother me irritate.

591
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,440
I am a feeling person, but I'm
not a feeling.

592
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,000
I like to internalize stuff a
lot.

593
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:57,280
So when I'm like crying or I'm
like clinging to her, that's

594
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,520
another big sign.
So having someone that can

595
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,400
recognize the Santa doesn't have
to be for me, it's my mom

596
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
because she's my mom.
I'm her child.

597
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,199
She knows me better than anyone,
but having someone who can

598
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,880
recognize whatever it is you're
struggling with when it's when

599
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,719
you're having a down time or
down period, they're like, OK,

600
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,320
this is the pattern of when
let's say Amanda is struggling

601
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,440
with bipolar disorder because,
and, but again, like you said,

602
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,840
bipolar disorder doesn't look
the same for everybody, just

603
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,000
like depression doesn't.
So being able to recognize the

604
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,280
signs of when she's having a
manic moment versus a depression

605
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,360
moment and knowing what helps.
I can't remember.

606
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,080
I think it was this past
Survivor season, people were

607
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,960
talking about a girl who had
autism on the show.

608
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,760
She was autistic and one of her
original teammates was an older

609
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,719
gentleman who was a father.
She felt a camaraderie ship with

610
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080
him.
And so in a moment of

611
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,800
vulnerability, like at the
beginning, she told him, I'm

612
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,320
autistic and there are times
when I get over stimulated and

613
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,840
overwhelmed.
This is what I need if this

614
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920
happens.
And so at some point, I guess

615
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,960
they got put on separate teams
and they were doing a challenge.

616
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,200
It was an immunity challenge.
And you could you could see even

617
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,320
from someone, even if you had
never seen any other clips of

618
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,920
the show, you could tell
something wasn't something was

619
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,880
happening with this girl.
You could tell something wasn't

620
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,200
right because when the challenge
was over, she started having a

621
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,040
very bad anxiety, a panic
attack.

622
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,080
And her teammate that she had
talked to, you could see that he

623
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,400
was like he was struggling not
to go over to her because they

624
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,040
were on separate teams at that
point.

625
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,760
But you could see in his eyes,
he's like, I want to go to her,

626
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,480
but I can't.
And she needs me, but I can't go

627
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,440
over there because we're not on
the same team anymore.

628
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,720
So the host, I think his name is
Jeff.

629
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,160
I don't know.
I don't watch the show, but the

630
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,080
host says to the guys, like, do
you want to go over there?

631
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,120
You didn't have to ask the guy
twice.

632
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,360
Like, I don't think Jeff even
finished saying the question and

633
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,240
he headed over there.
He was like, because she's like,

634
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:11,080
I need somebody to squeeze my
hands really hard to ground me

635
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,560
back.
And so that's what he did for

636
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,800
her.
And then after that, he asked

637
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,760
her.
And she was like, I'm at a place

638
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,520
now I feel comfortable sharing
with the rest of the the class,

639
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,400
I guess.
And she told them what was going

640
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,280
on.
And it was actually said that it

641
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,160
was funny because she's the
first person in the history of

642
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,760
the show to ever make the host
cry.

643
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,160
But it says something that even
the host could tell that

644
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,040
something was going on and she
needed help.

645
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,880
And he knew that her teammate,
that her former teammate could

646
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,800
help.
And so at that point it became

647
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,920
about humanity and not about
winning a game.

648
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Thank you, Alexandra.
I appreciate that.

649
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,240
And Amanda, I know you had your
hand raised.

650
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Give me just a second.
I want to respond to this if I

651
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,200
could.
I think that's also I the

652
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,160
importance of identifying your
person and, and knowing who can

653
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,640
be there for you when you know
you're having these challenges,

654
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,320
right?
But I think also two things, and

655
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,040
I think this is to I can't
remember who said they might

656
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
have been you, Alexandra, that
person doesn't know.

657
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,280
Also your person also is there
to call you out on stuff, right?

658
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,720
Like the person is not there
just to be for there for you

659
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,040
when you need them.
They're also there to kind of

660
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,400
call you out on stuff like, hey,
I think you kind of take

661
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,560
advantage of the situation you
got going on, right?

662
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,800
So I think that's definitely the
power of having a person and the

663
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,320
duality of that person's role,
but also understand to check in

664
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,720
on that person who you
identified as your person,

665
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,600
right?
Because they are kind of, you

666
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,680
know, being the strong one for
you.

667
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,800
So sometimes you need to pour
back into that cup as you take a

668
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,440
sip from it.
Go ahead, Amanda.

669
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,480
One Alexandra, I did see that
clip on TikTok and it was such a

670
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,440
beautiful moment, such a
beautiful moment.

671
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,160
I think so many people could
have learned from that.

672
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,840
So thank you for bringing that
up.

673
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,440
And to Alexander's point, like
my husband is my person when it

674
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,800
comes to that.
What you said earlier, sometimes

675
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,280
the strongest people need to be
checked on as well.

676
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,120
And I am one of those very,
very, very strong people.

677
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,240
But he gets to like that's in
front of the world.

678
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,040
He gets to see the me behind the
scenes that sometimes has those

679
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,240
very weak moments, or he can see
the weight of the world on my

680
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,920
shoulders that sometimes I worry
about things that there's

681
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,480
nothing I can do about it or
it's just not for me to worry

682
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,040
about.
But I try to be a helper in all

683
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,280
things.
And so with him be in my like my

684
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,400
person, he we have these little
things that we say to each other

685
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,640
to kind of like snap each other
out of that moment and like a

686
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,040
fun and loving way.
So if he ever sees me getting a

687
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520
little too deep with worry or
whatever the case may be, he'll

688
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,360
look at me and go, Amanda, just
think about bread.

689
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,560
And I love baking bread and it
pulls me into like the happy

690
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,720
thoughts of things.
And it, it's his way of gently

691
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,400
guiding me out of going the
wrong direction back into the

692
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,840
right direction.
So he'll let me wander a little

693
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,840
bit, but then he'll look at me.
He's like, think a bro, think a

694
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,960
bro.
And just it's, it's a funner way

695
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,840
of saying snap out of it.
And then for him, if he does

696
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,040
something silly or if he's just
acting a little different, I'll

697
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,400
say, are you going through
something?

698
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,120
And I the way I say it is, is a
little funny and it kind of

699
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,480
snaps us both out of it and
makes us giggle.

700
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,000
So once maybe what would have
caused an argument between the

701
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,640
two of us years and years ago
that's kind of like our checking

702
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,680
moment of each other to help us
like gently guide us into a more

703
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,000
optimistic path instead of going
down the wrong 1.

704
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,920
So you do got to have those
people that that pull you out of

705
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,240
any kind of darker moments.
I love that.

706
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,760
Give me just a second,
Alexandra, and see if I may.

707
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,760
I want to ask Amanda a follow up
question if I could, because

708
00:39:55,240 --> 00:40:00,520
having your person as you know,
your spouse definitely is a

709
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,040
different dichotomy than like
maybe a best friend or something

710
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,640
like that.
So I'm curious.

711
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Amanda, do you talk about those
moments with your husband when

712
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,480
neither one of you are in the
throes of like, a bad moment, if

713
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,440
you will?
Right, Because you're, what

714
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,680
you're sharing with me reminds
me of Brené Brown and her

715
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,240
husband and the percentage kind
of doctrine they have where it's

716
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,080
like, listen, I'm having a rough
day today.

717
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,160
I can only give you 20% today.
That's all I got.

718
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,880
Like I'm going to give you a
strong 20%, but 20% is all I

719
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,080
got.
So I'm curious, when you're not

720
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,320
in the throes of having a
moment, do you have those

721
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,160
conversations about like when
I'm in, when I'm in this moment,

722
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,440
this is kind of what I need.
Does that question make sense?

723
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,800
It really does.
And while we don't communicate

724
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,280
like percentage wise, we have
this open communication where

725
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:53,480
like when I hit the wall where I
can't do anymore, he, he will

726
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,480
say to me, OK, it's my turn to
tap in because I tend to want to

727
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,760
like carry the household, carry
the the worry, carry the burden

728
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,240
and he'll like tap in and vice
versa.

729
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,800
So we kind of have like this tap
in method of like when I'm at my

730
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,600
weakest, that's when he's going
to be his strongest and vice

731
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,760
versa.
And that seems that again, is

732
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,760
something that's probably been
going on the last five years or

733
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,600
so.
So these are newer things.

734
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,000
But it's after years of marriage
and years of being open to me

735
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,360
being able to say I'm weak in
this moment where 10 years ago,

736
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,480
I don't even know if I could
have said that, Dominic, if I'm

737
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
being truthful.
But age has said like I don't

738
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,680
have to be strong every single
second.

739
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,760
Certainly when I have such a
good support next to me that can

740
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,600
carry some of the load for me
and life doesn't have to be so

741
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,120
hard.
So yeah, we don't like kind of

742
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,280
say I can only give you 20%, but
there are days that I'm like, I,

743
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,880
I can't do anything more than
what I'm already doing.

744
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,920
And that's when he takes that
load from me.

745
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,680
And it's so wonderful one. 100%
Thank you for sharing that,

746
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,480
Amanda.
See it then Alexandra, if we

747
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,320
could.
So thank you, Dominic.

748
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160
There's a couple of things here.
First off, I think that, and

749
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,720
correct me if I'm wrong here,
but one of the potential, I

750
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,360
don't call it a side effect or
mental health related issues is

751
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,480
the fact that not everybody has
that person that Amanda just

752
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,920
described.
And I think it's great that

753
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,680
Amanda has that person and that
Alexander has that person, but

754
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,640
not everybody has that because I
think loneliness is a huge

755
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,480
aspect of mental health, right?
And it's my opinion.

756
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,200
I could be wrong, but you know,
I believe that loneliness is a

757
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,200
big aspect of that.
So what I would say to that is

758
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,000
each and every one of us have
the opportunity every day to be

759
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,240
that person in the way that we
show up, right?

760
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:50,600
And with our mindset of not
trying to fix someone, but

761
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,760
trying to support someone.
And I think that we can say

762
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,720
things when we see this
happening.

763
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,080
Very similar to the example that
Dr. gave is how can I support

764
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,680
you, not how can I help you or
what can I do through.

765
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,600
I think it's the question of how
can I support you?

766
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Because a person in that
situation, again, this is my

767
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,320
opinion, doesn't need to be
fixed.

768
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,200
They just need to be heard.
And sometimes all you need to do

769
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,160
is say how can I support you?
And they might say something

770
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,760
along the lines of can you
listen to me or can I tell you

771
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,960
my story, right?
Because not everybody has a

772
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,360
person they can go to.
So I have something else I want

773
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,680
to say, but I'll, I'll stop
there for a moment, Dominic, and

774
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,360
let you.
No, really.

775
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,080
No, I understand exactly what
you're saying, that isolation,

776
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,520
what we know in the behavioral
health community is that

777
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,880
isolation often fuels addiction.
Isolation often fuels these

778
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,600
negative thoughts, right?
Because there's nobody around to

779
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,480
whether it be be your person or
honestly, to be fair to what

780
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,800
Alexander's point earlier is to
kind of check your like, Hey,

781
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,360
listen, you doing the most right
now, Like, you know, kind of

782
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,880
cool it if you, but no, you're,
you're absolutely right.

783
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,400
And I think what you share is
super important every single

784
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,440
day.
I believe that's just me.

785
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,200
Every single day we have the
opportunity to show up for

786
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,640
somebody.
And it doesn't have to be this

787
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,280
large grandiose idea of like
whatever, right?

788
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,320
Like, hey, you good?
No, I don't.

789
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,240
No, no, no, no, no, not the
certain night now.

790
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,640
OK, we did.
We got the first coat off of

791
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,760
what you're having to feel.
No, no, are you good?

792
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,360
Right.
And I think we all have that

793
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,520
opportunity every single day to
do that and show up for someone,

794
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040
right?
Because again, when we talk

795
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,880
about these challenges in these
mental health challenges, right,

796
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,800
you know, you just never know
unless we ask.

797
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,440
And honestly, that is why we
created mental health.

798
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,120
We've written is to fight
through that isolation for maybe

799
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,280
somebody who doesn't have
somebody to show up for them,

800
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,440
who doesn't have somebody to be
like, hey, are you good?

801
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,800
You know, through the form of a
podcast, that is how I choose to

802
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,320
show up for people, right?
Because it means so much to me

803
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,120
when person says, hey, I listen
to the show and it doesn't even

804
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,960
have to be mental health ridden.
It can be, it can be Mel

805
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,080
Robbins, it can be Brené Brown.
It could be even some of the

806
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,240
shows I did at the meadows, like
hey, I listed this episode

807
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,240
because I felt like I was the
only one going through this

808
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:21,480
thing, right?
I listed this episode, there was

809
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,960
some similarities.
I want to talk to somebody.

810
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,680
I went to a a meeting, I went to
group.

811
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,720
So showing up every day like
that.

812
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:33,200
We have that opportunity, each
and every one of us has that

813
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,480
opportunity to show up every
single day to do that for

814
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,560
somebody and say, before I go
back to you and just say this to

815
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,360
the room, I just want to say
thank you for everybody for

816
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,760
showing up for this
conversation.

817
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,200
Listen, I know this is not the
typical type of conversation we

818
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,560
have on podcast in morning chat
as it relates to growing your

819
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,520
podcast and using that nature.
But I think there are times

820
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,040
where we need to have these
conversations as podcasts

821
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,280
because I think there's so much
responsibility that comes with

822
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,400
that microphone.
And I think we have that

823
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,360
responsibility.
We have an opportunity to be

824
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,560
that person and we have an
opportunity to make sure we are

825
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,440
not causing undue harm.
So I appreciate everybody who

826
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,320
showed up for this conversation,
even though it's made me not the

827
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,360
typical type of podcasting
morning chat conversation that

828
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,720
we have.
Go ahead and see if you said

829
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:20,920
there's something else you
wanted to say.

830
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,400
And I want to get back to
Alexandra.

831
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960
So Dominic, you just said
something that I think is also

832
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,360
very important, which is there,
whether you believe it or not,

833
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,480
there's a lot of responsibility
that comes when you grab that

834
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,560
microphone and hit record,
right?

835
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,040
And what you say and what you
put out into the world.

836
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,920
And I actually recorded an
episode 2 days ago about a

837
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,160
little bit of a little bit about
this, about be the light for

838
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,360
somebody.
Like show up for somebody, be

839
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,080
the light for somebody.
You never know what people are

840
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,200
going through, right?
And I Remember Me doing what we

841
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,480
do.
And being entrepreneurs is by

842
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,720
far one of the hardest things
that anybody can do, right?

843
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,600
I mean, it's just like
craziness.

844
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,560
And I always choose joy first,
right?

845
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,080
I lead with joy.
I try to make a positive impact

846
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,720
to people's lives.
But I'm also one of those strong

847
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:18,400
people that I'm going to hide
how I'm feeling and fully admit

848
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,880
it.
I'm going to hide from you that

849
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,640
I'm having a bad day, right?
Or that mentally I'm in a really

850
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,240
bad place.
And I remember a few years ago,

851
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:35,400
it was actually 2018 and I was
working in a Co working space.

852
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,440
I had an office and we've been
working for months on this

853
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,440
project.
And we turned in our final

854
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,640
proposal and a few days later we
got an e-mail that said thanks

855
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,720
but no thanks.
We decided not to move forward.

856
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,240
I was devastated like I was.
I was literally cashing the

857
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,720
checks before the guy ever said
yes because everything was

858
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,040
there, everything was aligned,
all the buying signals were

859
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,320
aligned, everything was there,
and they said no.

860
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,520
And then when I ask a follow up
question, which was something

861
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,400
very similar, completely
understand that you choosing not

862
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,040
to move forward this time.
As you know, we're a small and a

863
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,120
young business.
I would appreciate any feedback

864
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,160
that you could give us that
could help us improve.

865
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,440
It's a great question to ask,
right?

866
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,640
And I got ghosted and it sent me
into this downward spiral that

867
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,680
I'd never experienced before in
my life, didn't know how to

868
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,320
handle it, didn't know what to
do.

869
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,280
And so I would get up every
morning and I would this this

870
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,480
lasted for three days.
I got to get up and get dressed.

871
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,760
I'd go to the office.
I'd go in office and put my bag

872
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,120
down.
I would turn the light off and I

873
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,160
would lay on the floor.
I just lay there deep in my

874
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,160
thought, asking myself all these
questions like, what am I doing?

875
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,320
Who am I to think that I can be
a consultant?

876
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Why am I doing this?
Like this is not worth it.

877
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:00,360
And that lasted for three days.
And to to this day, I don't know

878
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,240
that my wife even knows the
story right, because I didn't

879
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:09,440
tell anybody and I was keeping
it in side, which is the wrong

880
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,480
thing to do, right, to
internalize it.

881
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,160
But I learned some really
valuable lessons from that.

882
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,520
And one day I was laying there
listening to a podcast and I

883
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,160
cannot for the life of me
remember the name of the podcast

884
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,560
I was listening to.
And which is really strange

885
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,800
because I remember every detail
about this story, almost what I

886
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,480
was wearing, right?
And I remember asking myself,

887
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,760
what the hell are you doing,
dude?

888
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,640
Like, what are you doing?
And I got up and I realized that

889
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,920
bad things happen, and you can't
always control the outcome, but

890
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,560
bad things are going to happen.
And so I came up with four

891
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,960
questions to ask myself.
And I've shared this a lot

892
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,120
because it was such a powerful
lesson for me that we have to

893
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,240
understand bad things are going
to happen in our life and in our

894
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,280
business.
And this is where we get the

895
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,120
gift to choose how we're going
to respond to it.

896
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,920
And that was a game changer for
me.

897
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Like I could understand that I
get to choose how I'm going to

898
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,040
respond to this.
And so I can't.

899
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,360
I wrote him down and I talked
about it all the time.

900
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,040
I wrote down 4 questions and you
know, my 4 questions were very

901
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,200
businesslike but also very
simple, which was what went

902
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,880
right in the situation,
acknowledging what I did good in

903
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,640
this process.
The second one was what went

904
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,760
wrong, not what went bad, but
what went wrong.

905
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Like what went wrong in this
process.

906
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,560
The third one is what did I
learn right?

907
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,600
What did I learn from this?
Because I needed, I need to take

908
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,600
lessons away from this.
And there were tons of lessons

909
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,480
from that very example.
And the fourth one, which is the

910
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,960
one that really got me motivated
was what am I going to do

911
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840
differently the next time?
I got to put on my big boy

912
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,720
pants.
I got to brush them off because

913
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,840
I got knocked down.
I'm not out.

914
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,680
I got knocked down.
And what am I going to do

915
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,840
differently the next time?
Because I got a mission and I

916
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,800
need to get up and I need to go
and I have people's lives that I

917
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,240
need to impact and I need to
help and support.

918
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,120
And it took me 3 days of laying
down in the dark to understand

919
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,520
that.
So my message there is we get

920
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,400
to, we get to control some of
this, right?

921
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,480
I also think my message is that
even, and this has been echoed a

922
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,400
lot, even the strong, the
appear, those that UPS that

923
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,480
appear to be strong have moments
when we need to be supported

924
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,720
1000% Sid.
And I am so grateful and honored

925
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,920
that you share that.
I listen to to the to the room,

926
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,160
to the the podcast people listen
to replay on the podcast.

927
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,720
I think Sid is a very great
business mind, right from the

928
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,680
things he shares on LinkedIn,
things he's shared behind the

929
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,640
scene that we've seen when we
did the first Empower podcasting

930
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,320
conference.
I think Sid is a very great

931
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,200
business mind and I think many
people share that sentiment.

932
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,040
But I also believe that like
with that being said, I don't

933
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,160
think we've ever would have
known said to be in a moment

934
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,000
like that.
I don't think so.

935
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,480
And I think this is important to
share our stories even when

936
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,920
we're interviewing somebody to
share, put a piece of ourselves

937
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,440
into the content because people
need to see that.

938
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,520
People need to hear that.
People need to understand that,

939
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:34,200
like all, OK, Sid, who is this
great business person, this

940
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,440
great business mind is going
through this, Then clearly what

941
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,280
I'm feeling isn't exclusive to
me.

942
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,160
It isn't just me.
This isn't just happening to me.

943
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,840
This is just the nature of
business.

944
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,320
And one of the things you also
said, Sid, before I go to

945
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,760
Alexander and then Jonathan, and
then we're going to start to

946
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,960
kind of wrap up here is one of
the things I learned personally

947
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,680
in therapy.
What you share with those four

948
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,840
questions is to put your
thoughts on trial, right?

949
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,960
When you have those moments of
imposter syndrome or whatever it

950
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,960
is that you want to call it, to
put those thoughts on trial.

951
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,960
Yeah, that did happen.
But also this.

952
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,560
Yeah.
Did that really happen the way I

953
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,720
think it happened?
Maybe it did, maybe it did not.

954
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,360
Maybe that's just my perception
because I'm in my feelings right

955
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,920
now.
So I love those four questions

956
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,960
that you share.
And then reminded me of what my

957
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,600
therapist told me is to put your
thoughts on trial.

958
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,720
Alexandra and then Jonathan.
I wanna say first of all, I love

959
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:34,120
what Sid said, but I was going
back to what Amanda said about

960
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:39,040
how her husband and you were
talking about the the percentage

961
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,720
and she was saying I just don't
have it today.

962
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,600
I will text my mom when I'm
having a moment.

963
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,840
I'm just like, mom, the horses
are out of the barn.

964
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,280
I need help because horses have
always been like my thing from

965
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,280
like when I was in therapy when
I was younger, whenever I

966
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,920
needed, I was getting to worked
up, my mom would rub my nose

967
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,040
like you would stroke a horse's
snout.

968
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,200
She would start stroking my nose
like that.

969
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,400
And so I just kind of took it
and ran with it.

970
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,880
So there's like Bob, the horses
are out of stable.

971
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,960
I need help.
But I also I'm starting to

972
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,320
recognize that there are times
that she can't support me

973
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,360
because she is in the middle of
her stuff too.

974
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,360
And so that is what I turned to
my other my other very special

975
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,440
kind of her, my dog Samson.
He is the most beautiful,

976
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,840
amazing man in the world, even
though he is, even though he has

977
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,040
four legs and a tail, because
I've never heard of emotional

978
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,640
support animal before.
I got Sampson, my primary care

979
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,920
physician at the time.
He's since retired.

980
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,480
I was times like, I don't know
what else to do.

981
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,320
And he was like getting
emotional support and was like,

982
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,520
what is that?
And was like, well, how do I do

983
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,600
that?
He's like, well, you know what?

984
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,280
I'm gonna write you a
prescription.

985
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,800
Go take it to your local animal
shelter.

986
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,560
And usually if you have those,
they will waive the adoption

987
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,640
fee.
And he was right.

988
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,240
And so I adopted Samson.
And then my sister makes a joke

989
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,880
all the time that I, I'm the
only person in the world who has

990
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,320
an emotional support animal that
needs emotional support because

991
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,400
he has separation anxiety.
But there's something that just

992
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,720
releases dopamine in my system
when I have gone somewhere and I

993
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,400
come back and this dog does
zoomies because I'm because I'm

994
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,920
home.
But there's also something so

995
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,000
calming and relaxing to my
mental state.

996
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,480
When he is, he will get under
the covers and lay next to me

997
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,240
and my mind shuts up.
And so he's getting older and

998
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,880
now I'm trying to figure out
what I'm going to do when that

999
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,400
time comes.
Because unfortunately, I have to

1000
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,560
start thinking about that
because I've become so attached

1001
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,920
to him.
So that's when we're talking

1002
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,200
about people.
It's what do we do when we

1003
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,960
become overly attached to our
people?

1004
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Is there a way to find that
balance so that you're not, you

1005
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,200
don't go into dependent
territory, but obviously we

1006
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,320
don't have time for that, but.
No, I, I, I appreciate you, you

1007
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,480
sharing all of that.
It's definitely one of those

1008
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,640
things where when you do talk,
you know, one things I've

1009
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,840
learned in this space, and when
you do talk to a therapist or

1010
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,080
clinician where they give you
those modalities and those those

1011
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,960
exercises, if you will, whether
it be breathing, whether it be

1012
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,640
put your thoughts on trial or
whatever.

1013
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,000
To start to kind of take away
that dependency from your

1014
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,240
person.
Not saying that you're just

1015
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,880
completely sever yourself from
your person, but you start to do

1016
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,480
those self regulating
activities, if you will.

1017
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,080
Also, if I may say before we go
to Jonathan and start to really

1018
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,280
wrap this up here, that the
horses that have left the barn

1019
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,160
is such a beautiful metaphor.
And I hope you don't take that

1020
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,960
to light like me taking that
light.

1021
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,440
It's a beautiful metaphor for
what you are sharing with your

1022
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,520
mom in those moments.
So I just want to make sure I

1023
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,640
acknowledge that.
Thank you for sharing it,

1024
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,240
Jonathan, please share what you
want to share.

1025
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,480
And also if you want, you know,
kind of wrap up, you know your

1026
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,520
final thoughts and I'll go
behind you after that.

1027
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,960
No problem.
So Alexandra, I want to let you

1028
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,240
know that my emotional support
dog needs emotional support as

1029
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:10,400
well.
So you can tell your sister

1030
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,080
that.
Sid, I think one of the most

1031
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,800
important things that you did
today was share that story.

1032
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,160
Just like Dr. shared a story.
Because every time we share

1033
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,320
stories, we don't know who's out
there that needs to hear that.

1034
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,160
We don't know what other
business owners are going

1035
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,080
through something that needed to
hear what you went through or

1036
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,520
parents are going through
something that needed to hear

1037
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,400
what Dr. said.
So I think that sharing those

1038
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,040
stories is so powerful and so
important.

1039
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,480
And thank you for being
vulnerable and doing that.

1040
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,520
Dominic, thank you for running
this room today.

1041
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,840
Great conversation and a very,
very important topic.

1042
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,280
So I appreciate that and I'll
send it back to you.

1043
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,760
I appreciate that, Jonathan,
thank you so much for for

1044
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,120
sharing that.
I thought it was an important

1045
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,320
one and thank you for the room
for allowing me to kind of share

1046
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,840
space with you and to have this
conversation again.

1047
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,840
I know it's not the growth type
of, you know, grow your podcast

1048
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,640
type of conversation, but I
think it's growth in the sense

1049
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,960
of like the quality and the
responsibility of habit of being

1050
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,760
a podcaster, the a
responsibility that comes with

1051
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,760
the microphone.
And so listen, as we move

1052
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,880
forward and mental health
awareness month and all the

1053
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,840
things, please do not be afraid
to have these conversations

1054
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,880
tackle these topics because
there's somebody out there just

1055
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,480
like much like Sid's very great
example, along with DRS as well

1056
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,120
and everybody else who has
shared people need to hear these

1057
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,000
stories.
I don't care if you've told that

1058
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,400
story 1000 times.
I don't care if you've told that

1059
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,560
story one time and, and you feel
like nobody wants to hear that.

1060
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,160
They somebody probably does need
to hear it.

1061
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,160
And that's just keeping it 100
with you.

1062
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,400
Somebody definitely needs to
hear it.

1063
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,880
And so as we wrap up this room,
I just want to say thank you to

1064
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,880
the moderators, Ashley, Dan,
definitely Dan for running the

1065
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,880
ones and twos here.
Dr. Jonathan see it and Amanda

1066
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,360
now.
So Alexandra, thank you so much

1067
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,600
for sharing all of that.
Please be sure to check in

1068
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,440
tomorrow as we talked about your
signature podcasting style.

1069
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,280
I think that's going to be a
great conversation for this room

1070
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,520
as we get back to I guess I read
schedule programming and, and

1071
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,160
Mark, if you're out there still
gallivanting in Madrid or Lisbon

1072
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,160
or whatever it is you doing,
hope you're having a a great

1073
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,920
time And hopefully we didn't run
the train off the rail.

1074
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,840
So we'll be back tomorrow, 7:00
AM Eastern Time, 6:00 Central

1075
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,680
time.
And thank you so much for having

1076
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,000
us have this conversation.
And as always, it's Mark will

1077
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,880
leave us.
Have a great day every day.

1078
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,760
Oh no, make it a great
everybody.

1079
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:41,440
Take care.