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0:04 Good morning podcasting Morning Chat. Today is Wednesday, May 28th, 2025, and today we're digging into a fresh batch of podcasting headlines, big brand moves, AI upgrades, accessibility shifts, and why the UK might be podcasting's new power player. So if you're listening live on Clubhouse, hit the share button, bottom left hand side of the screen and share it. However, Clubhouse lets you or YouTube. And if you're listening via podcast, please share this episode with a fellow podcaster. And now give us about 30 seconds and we'll get things rolling. Thanks for being here. Good morning again, podcasting, Morning chat. Thank you for being here.

1:24 I am your host, Mark Ronik, and on stage here on Clubhouse with me we have producer Ashley Feller, Dr. Faye, Nick Naulback, Amanda Sharp and Sid Meadows. And yes, if you're listening on Clubhouse, you may have heard me sneak in YouTube. We are live again on YouTube. I'm going to continue trying that out, seeing how that goes. So far, I can't say it's hasn't gone well, but it so far really hasn't made a lot of noise yet. But as we say, consistency is key. So if you want to come watch what I'm doing, there's probably like a what did we figure out yesterday?

2:04 Dr. Around a 22nd delay between YouTube and Clubhouse. Yeah, anywhere from 18 to 20 seconds kind of thing. I was listening to you in my ears on Clubhouse, and then I was also watching in silence and I waited for, you know, someone to stop talking. And then you started and I timed it so it came out to be between 18 seconds and 20. Yeah, yeah. So if you are listening via podcast the way you can check in at 7:00 AM, just go to YouTube and search for me at Markronic MARCRONICK. You'll find the live stream happening there. It's a little weird 'cause I had to pull up the link to share it with you here on Clubhouse. It's a little weird seeing myself talking on screen like a YouTube video.

2:52 I got to get that off here. It's gonna. Do you think it should be so? Do you think it should be on your Markronic's channel instead of its own channel? Instead of a, you know, podcasting morning chat channel? Do you think that that would hinder discovery at all? You know, and, and I feel like when I was away, maybe you guys address something similar with Kate when she came in asking about whether she should have a separate Instagram channel from her own personal one. And yeah, you know, it's, it's an ongoing struggle with me. I I'm not sure because on one hand what I like is that everything under my brand, the Markronic brand, all streams or is uploaded to that Channel.

3:39 So that could be stuff from the podcasting morning chat. It could be other stuff that that's all under my brand. I like that idea. But I do hear the argument about it being separated for discovery purposes. I don't know. I just don't know which one really is the more effective way. Life is an experiment. Yeah, it is. And what did Mike say here in the chat? He thinks he says good morning. FYI, was talking with Pat Flynn yesterday and brought up our discussion about social media posts. He tended to agree with the majority of the room regarding posting on social media. Do what you can, but focus on the show. He thinks Gary Vee's push is unrealistic for most podcasters in terms of numbers. Yeah.

4:23 So yesterday we talked a little bit. Thank you, Mike. We talked a little bit about Gary Vee's philosophy of posting at 10 to 15 times a day, and we pushed back a little bit on that and said it's just not realistic. You know, if you're Gary Vee, sure, that's easy. You've got a whole team. But most of us don't. And the team probably pre scheduled it anyway so. Oh. Yeah, yeah, there's a whole, it's a whole machine going on there. So yes, I appreciate that. Mike, you asked Pat Flynn about that, and I'm glad Pat and I are on the same page about that. I am a little disappointed and I still love Pat Flynn. I'm a little sad because we were this close to having Pat Flynn be the keynote speaker at Empowered Podcasting, our conference.

5:11 He was going to actually attend virtually because the following week he has his, I think, his own event going on. So to have asked him to come here and then go back there. For this coming, this coming one or the last one? No, this coming one, Yeah. We were in talks with the Pat Flynn team. Thanks to our friend Janaid, who has a direct connection to Pat. So I was actually going to say to MM, next time you talk to Pat, give him a little nudge like, hey, you really should do this empowered podcasting conference thing. It's a thing. You got to be a part of it. See if you can nudge him on. Mike wants to come up and then we'll get to the news in a moment. And it's we're going to start with something fun that Dr. found in in the news.

5:53 Mike, you want to come on up? I just invited you, Mike. Good morning. Hey, good morning. Yeah, I was on a call with about 10 people with that yesterday. And because I'm doing an accelerator with him and I'll see him again in about a month. So on another kind of smaller Zoom type of call thing on circle. But yeah, I'll, I'll definitely try to get him to reconsider with you directly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We want him to reconsider. I'd love for him to wake up early one morning to come here, but he is on the West Coast so that'll be. That would be super early. And I was thinking, I was saying because my original pitch was he would be the opening speaker Saturday morning or maybe it would be AQ and A with me and Pat.

6:36 But I think maybe by saying first thing in the morning, that could have been a problem looking back at it because he's on the West Coast. And I don't think, you know, even if we start at 9:00, which might be even a little too early, but if we were to kick things off at 9:00, that's 6:00 his time. That might be, he might have just said, yeah, I ain't doing that. So I should have rethought it and said maybe he could be our closing keynote speaker. So either way, Mike, since you have a Direct Line to Pat, even if it's in a month from now, give him a little nudge. Tell him how awesome this community is and how much we praise Pat Flynn. Yeah, I did bring up the community yesterday and told him that Janae and I participate pretty much every day in this discussions. I was trying to kind of promote it to some other aspiring podcasters that were in this accelerator cohort, whatever you want to call it with me.

7:24 So. I love that. Thank you. Thank you for doing that, Mike. And actually, that's reminds me, I've been meaning to ask all of you here, please share the news, share this podcast with a fellow podcaster. I know I say it at the beginning of every show, and maybe I'm not saying it with enough meaning, with enough heart. We want to spread the word here. And you know, I've been putting money into advertising and that kind of stuff. But to me, there's really nothing stronger than the power of word of mouth and referrals recommendations. So please consider sharing this. I don't mind where you share it, how you share it. Just please share it. And thank you, Yvonne, for telling other podcasters about the group all the time.

8:08 I appreciate you and encourage everybody to join in on that fun. And while you're at it, invite some people in right now this morning. And Greg, Dan, Austin, Lee, Adam, Yvonne, thank you for being in the audience. And of course, Mike, thank you for jumping up here on stage and sharing. Love that. All right, so we're going to kick the news off. Let me do it with the music. We're going to kick the news off today with a fun little news story that Dr. Saw Dr. I'll let you start. I know in a few minutes you've got to go cook some eggs for the hubby. But if you want to set it up, I'm happy to take it over whenever you need to take a break. Okie dokie.

8:48 OK, so I found this article. It's from Cosmopolitan, so most of it skews female, but it's still kind of fun. It's the perfect podcast to listen to based on your Zodiac sign. So who wants to give me their Zodiac sign? I'll start. Let's do it for Leo, of course, and being a being a Leo, of course, I would jump in and say I'll start because we always want all that attention. Leo Leo, The podcast is called We Can Do Hard Things. Leo, you're known for your confidence in fire, but underneath that spotlight, you've got a big soft art that feels deeply.

9:29 We Can Do Hard Things, hosted by Glennon Doyle, Amanda Doyle and Abby Wombach, speaks directly to that tender, powerful part of you. It's raw, real, and full of emotional truths that cut through the noise. These conversations about love, boundaries, self worth, and healing are exactly what your brave heart craves when the world feels overwhelming. All right, I'm going to encourage all of us to take the advice and let's see how much it resonates with us. So for me that was again, what was this show? For me that was we can do hard. Things. I mean, look, if I saw that title, I'd be interested in hearing it.

10:10 Yeah. I mean, that's yeah. All right. So who else wants to? So now for me, we prefer to call ourselves Moon child. We don't like the C word cancer. But you know, And OK, so mine would be something called naked beauty. That tracks. OK. So deeply emotional, intuitive and nostalgic. Cancer thrives in content that feels personal. Brooke Devard's Naked Beauty is more than a beauty podcast. It's a love letter to ritual, identity and self-expression. Through intimate conversations you get comfort, cultural richness and emotional nourishment to soothing, sincere and full of meaning. Basically, it's a podcast hug with an edge, and it taps into your need to feel seen and understood, like the one-on-one heart to heart you didn't know you needed. No.

11:04 Nice one. All right. Well, who else? Anyone else want to tell us your sign and we'll tell you what podcast recommendation you should listen to based on that sign? Let's see, Ashley, I know you said you were having some issues with your mic. Let's see if we can hear you. Go ahead. I think it was a glitch. My sign is a Libra. Libra, hold on. OK, here we go. Libra. The show is called Everything is Fine. Libras are ruled by Venus, which means you crave elegance, balance, aesthetics and meaningful conversation. Everything Is Fine is hosted by Kim France and Jen Oh Romolini offers thoughtful dialogue with stylish weight, whether it's navigating midlife, pop culture, or relationships.

11:51 It's witty, well paced, and beautifully relatable. Think bestie energy, but with matching outfits and clever banter. It's the kind of podcast you'll listen to while reorganizing your bookshelves by color and texting your group chat that emotional labor. OK, there it is, Ashley. And then I saw Lee think it was Lee in the chat. Yeah, Lee's called out for Pisces. And unfortunately, I think that this is a cop out. I'll take it from here, Dr. 'cause I know you have to go make some eggs. Yeah, so this one is a cop out in my opinion. They chose a podcast called Pisces. I'm such a Pisces or it's just called I'm such a Pisces.

12:34 It says Pisces, you are the feelings and this podcast knows it. I'm such a Pisces hold hosted by Lauren and has had oh I'm sorry, had a saw. I think that's how you pronounce it too. Self aware, hilarious. Pisces is astrology talk meets emotional unraveling meets best friend energy. I would say this definitely feels more female energy, this type of podcast. It's heartfelt, funny, occasionally chaotic, and deeply validating in ways that feels like someone finally put your inner monologue into words. From cosmic deep dives to life updates full of mood swings and intuition, this podcast celebrates your most Piscean traits, empathy, imagination, and feeling everything all at once. Lee put in the chat if that resonates with you or not. And all right, Nick is putting in A and then what we're going to do is we will, we will definitely link to this so that if you are listening and want to hear your sign and your recommendation, you can do it.

13:38 Aquarius is for maintenance phase. That's the name of the podcast Maintenance phase. Rebellious, intelligent, and justice oriented, Aquarius thrives on content that challenges the system. Maintenance Phase dives into the dark underbelly of Wellness and diet culture with humor, facts, and rage disguised as wit. You'll love how it dismantles myths and breaks down why society clings to them. It's educational, liberating, and gives you receipts to bring up in your next group chat debate. It's exactly the kind of podcast that fuels your inner disruptor. Clever, evidence based, and two steps ahead of the status quo. Nick, what do you think?

14:23 Does that spark your interest at all? Be honest. That actually takes my interest I I haven't checked that one out. OK, All right, cool. There you go. So we will put a link in the show notes that is from Cosmopolitan. Amanda, did you have something? Yeah. I was just wondering like who else thought like how much did it cost for them to get the recommendation? That's where my mind thought. I was like, ha, that's a pretty penny. I love the skeptic in you and yeah, I mean, did they it could have very well been paid. I I don't know, though, for some reason, I feel like they just took the time to to do this. They probably could have just gone through AI and had it match it up based on those signs. But you know, like, I don't know if maybe call her daddy is paying for this, but I don't know if they need to. They're they're recommended for Aries and I don't know that they.

15:12 Need to do anything that would be in like a Cosmopolitan definitely is paid ad space, so I find that just interesting. We should dig in. We will try to find it. And while we have you, Amanda, how are the little chicks doing? So bad. You keep saying that on all your tik toks that they are very misbehaved and I'm curious what does that mean? Imagine having 5 toddlers, 5 toddlers that if you touch one, they all want the attention. But if you touch one nut like none of them want the attention. If you put something in there and one gets it instead of like taking out of my hand, that has clearly more.

15:52 They want the thing that's in the other one's mouth. They're really sassy, they make a lot of noises and they run so fast and this girl doesn't. So I can't put them down outside anymore because I can hardly catch them. These are just 4 weeks old friends like this is. So you're doing the chicken thing for May have your own eggs and that kind of stuff. OK, cool. Yes and just try to like know where your food comes from and all the things and it's been. I research so much. I spent years researching I to the point of like I knew exactly what breed to get and then I was like everything I've researched is wrong. So I'm learning.

16:35 They're really good though. They're like, they're really sweet, but they're just don't get chickens. Just don't do it. And how is it doing as far as your content? Because this is one of the things I love about what you do with your content is you tend to find a thing, whether it's a hobby or just something you're fascinated with, and then you go all in on it and you share all sorts of content around That last thing was your bread making, that I recall anyway. So yeah, how is it going as far as content? You know, the Internet does not like these chicks as much as I think they should. They much better like a bread reveal. So I'm still allowing myself this time to document the chicks being this size because eventually they're just going to be the size that they'll be. So this is something that I've done with my personal social media since I started.

17:25 It's like a little diary or a journal for me just as much as others who want to be a part of it. So to me, I'm like, I need to give this time, document this space, this journey, because I know I'm going to forget it. So I'm looking forward to, in a year's time, being able to go back to those memories and just kind of looking at how little they were and the adventures they took me on. I love it. OK cool. Well keep us posted on them and if you ever get more, I would say put a camera on those eggs before they hatch because I bet you that's a kind of a reveal, especially if you put it in fast pace. That's the kind of reveal people would love. Yeah. And I didn't, I didn't. I bought these from a breeder so I didn't incubate. Them.

18:07 Oh, OK, so you got them already hatched? Yes, like at like 2 days old. OK, got it. Got it. OK. Crazy babies, yeah. Well, thank you for sharing. All right, so let's dive into the news. Dr. will tell me when she returns. I will, I will kick things. Oh, there she is back. OK, so as I like to start things off, I'd like to start it with a little podcast data. This is as of yesterday, the number one podcast on Apple is Deep Cover, another true crime podcast. And I'm going to skip number one for Spotify, Spotify for Spotify because Dr. will give us the top five because there's usually the same podcast at the number one spot. But I will tell you over the last week, 198,222 podcasts published at least one new episode sounds like a lot, but it's actually down about 3% from the previous week. And maybe that's due to the United States and the holiday this past Monday and that usually spills into the pre previous week, the last few days of the week people tend to take off.

19:16 So maybe that's why, yes. So what do you got for us as far as our your top five lists? OK, so top five for Spotify #5 Something scary #4 this past weekend with Theo bond #3 Rotten Mango Video video. OK #2 Andrew Schultz Blaggard with a quiche thing and number 10 right on Joe Rogan Experience. Yes, yes. And then you have another chart the for the arts. Is that right? So yeah, the random chart of the week is the arts and #5 is the Magnus archives #4 is How do you pronounce this I? I would say spicy spicy.

20:01 Spicy, OK, spicy #3 totally on board with the moth #2 NP Rs Fresh air #1 is Nick di Giovanni. Nick di Giovanni, That's his name. And I just wanted to keep saying. The name of his show, I guess. Your hand up and you touch your thumb with your fingers. Giovanni That's right. But I really think that the more important feature about the arts is the #9 #9 is kind of interesting because it is Bob Ross. His painting show now. Yeah #9 is Bob Ross. And it or I'm sorry #8 it just moved from the time that I first found this.

20:46 Story. This morning to now, it's now #8 So Bob Ross, the joy of painting. And this kind of reminds me of, you know, when videos first started doing getting into podcasting, and now they're just taking episodes of shows and calling it a podcast. I feel like my mother when she says, see, This is why we can't have nice things. You know, they're just taking television episodes and they're calling it a podcast. Yep, Yep. And that's been going on for a little bit now, even news programs especially, but I just can't understand. I guess it's got to be video podcast, because otherwise you're just hearing the soothing sounds of Bob Ross. Well, it is kind of ASMR. Ish.

21:34 Let's face it, I mean, he has a very kind of lilt kind of sing song, a kind of lilt to his voice. And it is very soothing, that's for sure. Because now this was #9 when I looked at this morning, it went up to #8 and the number 9 is all ASMR. So it is kind of interesting. Ashley's got something. Let's hear from Ashley. Go ahead, Ashley. I just wanted to share something that was kind of peculiar. I have insomnia, I have trouble sleeping and I've been listening to Bob Ross almost all of my life to go to sleep and I listened to a lot of. Sleep. Podcasts and the other night in the Spotify discovery thing.

22:16 Bob Ross popped up and I was delighted to see that you could. Turn on just the audio and that's what I did. I went right to sleep there. You go then. Did you also hear? Because I remember his shows. You could also kind of hear the brush on the canvas with the paint when you do like the little sweepy motions on the canvas. Can you hear that as well? Yeah, that's also very satisfying. Yeah, that's exactly it. You could. Hear all the calm things, he says. You could hear him smacking the paintbrush around the scraping, all of it. All right, there you go. Now, now we know why it's #8 yeah, in the arts. Awesome. And then you have YouTube as well, right? Right, so the YouTube #5 is lawn crime sidebar with Jesse Webber, who I truly think this is another television show. 4 is Kill Tony. 3 is 48 hours.

23:09 Another TV show. OK, yeah #2 is Joe Rogan Experience and #1 is Rotten Mango. And just as a side note #35 on YouTube is NBC News with who's the anchor? Lester Holt. The anchor was Lester Holt. It number #35 is. So they're just taking shows. They're just taking television shows and put them on there. Yeah, I think that's one of the problems. With. Yeah, that's one of the problems with video podcasting becoming so popular is that all these big mainstream shows are able to just take their own content and just repurpose it and say, hey, it's a podcast, and that's a little annoying.

23:51 Let's check in with Sid and then Nick. Go ahead, Sid. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. So I don't disagree with the TV show just repurposing content and making it a podcast. And it's not really a podcast, but when you think about listener behavior and consumption opportunities, it sounds like to me what these people especially like NBC News 48 hours, what they're doing is giving you options of how and when you want to consume the content. And you can consume the news, obviously without the visuals. You could consume other things without the visuals if you're listening. So I mean, it actually sounds like a really great opportunity to repurpose content to give the listener the opportunity to consume it how and when they want to. But I think it should be listed as something else other than a podcast.

24:38 Yeah. I mean, for example, they could put it on their own apps. Most of these networks have their own apps, if not their own streaming services, and they could put them there. I get it. It creates, it does create more options. And I'm sure there are consumers out there that appreciate if they're already in their podcast app, they can go to their favorite TV show and watch it via podcast apps. I just, I wish there was a better distinction there just because it muddies the waters. It doesn't really clear clearly define podcasting. It makes it kind of confusing. Let's go to Nick and then we'll go to Amanda. Go ahead, Nick. I feel like this was a thing before they started calling them all podcast because I remember like years ago when SiriusXM was coming out, they have like dedicated channels for things like Forensic Files and it's the exact same thing. They just repurpose their video feed on to SiriusXM channels. And now since podcasting has hit a little bit more mainstream, I'll say they're just putting it on the podcasting platforms now because it's more accessible.

25:47 It's not everyone uses SiriusXM now. Anybody can access these shows just by going to Spotify or Apple Podcasts. It's. Been around before podcast? Quote UN quote, especially on YouTube, right? Like that's where a lot of those TV shows, even before YouTube adopted podcasting, you still saw those TV shows going up on YouTube and nobody, I get it, nobody had a real issue with it and saying, well, it's not a YouTube video, but I mean, YouTube is Internet TV in my opinion. It's just that independent creators can add their content to it, too. Alex, I'll come to you in a second. Let's check in with Amanda first. Go ahead, Amanda. I think this is similar to the conversation we were having, I think when you were gone, Mark, about how was it the which award show is going to add a podcast Slain. And Oh yeah, it was a matter of.

26:40 And I just was like, well, like when we do that, it really doesn't I think matter to the independent podcaster because these are the type of shows that are going to hold those spots in my opinion. Because the definition of what a podcast now has just become so wide, which it is what it is. Things pivot, things change. But yeah, the more these things get added, the more, you know, watered down our little shows get. And I think that's just the the evolution of podcast. I think it's exciting, even if it's a little maybe discouraging sometimes. Yeah, OK. That's fair. Alex, did you want to chime in? Good morning. I think it's funny because the technology has gotten so much better and it's a blessing and a curse.

27:23 There is so many people putting content out on YouTube that didn't realize their podcasters. And I think that whole definition of podcaster or content creator, whatever you want to call yourself now is so kind of ambiguous. I know that's not what you want to hear in this room, but you know, when you go into the the streets of YouTube or the halls of Twitter or whatever else you want to call it, there are people out there that are doing all sorts of amazing. I mean, the Knicks game, for instance, and I know this isn't really related, but it is. There are people that are doing play by play Knicks games or playoff games, doing all sorts of stuff. Do they consider themselves a podcaster? Do they consider themselves a TV show? I don't know what they consider themselves, but it there is just so much interesting content out there that this group doesn't even, it's not even in our like realm. It's really amazing where it's kind of gone and I never really realized it until I started, you know, just branching out on different types of things.

28:27 But like every single sporting event, there is some guy or girl that's doing either a play by play or a watch party or after that game, they're doing supplemental content that's like maybe 10, 1520 minutes after that every single day. And that's just one genre. We're usually talking about the business, the mainstream type things. But there are some, I mean, even looking at what Amanda and Chris do, I mean, not that it's, you know, not mainstream, but it's it's a niche just like what I do, just like what what Sid does and eventually Dr. will do whenever she releases a podcast episode for the rest of us people that actually have put out episodes, it's really amazingly interesting in an area that I think we should actually look at down the road.

29:15 I don't know how you kind of want to, I mean, I don't know how the conversation is going to go, but there are people that are doing stuff in sports that I never would imagine. And I know what James has done. I know I keep bringing this up. It's just that it's the playoffs and that's what I'm kind of focused in on. It's just an interesting topic, that's for sure. Yeah, that's a Knicks fan who's very excited about sports right now. Yes, I get it out. It's. More like black and blue skies right now, orange and no, But I I just think it's really fascinating because to try to get the even something as simple as trying to get on the radio. I can't find it on the radio, but I can go to YouTube then and then find some, you know, knucklehead doing play by play and it's just pretty amazing. I understand what you're saying to your about how dare they not how dare they, but you know, they're they're calling it a podcast and it isn't.

30:05 But I mean, what is the difference from actually listening to Bob Ross at night, falling asleep, then listening to a YouTube thing, a YouTube channel, so to speak, and you're falling asleep to YouTube versus the TV. There's nothing. And I think that that's the, it's just a, it's just a different medium. You're using your computer versus your, your TV. So, I mean, it's food for thought. Yeah, thank you, Alex. And it is true, it is pretty interesting how it seems easier these days to find content made by creators versus finding that same kind of content from the the big networks. I get it. It is a little weird to DRS Defense, she puts out a podcast every day because for the most part she helps me every single day with this show. So I will say she does.

30:55 No, don't defend her. You are. You know that is so not even fair. Well, it is fair because she does participate. She does. She is a big part of helping me get this thing in ready in the morning. I'm with you 1000%. We all know where this is coming from. It's coming from a place of love. I think it was supposed to be January 27th that she was supposed to release that that that first podcast. So I'm just saying, just throwing it out there because I know Amanda and I were talking about that, you know, when she had made that proclamation. So I just. Wait a minute, how did I get brought into this conversation? He's.

31:36 There. Wait one second. It was the one day that you were there, and it was before chickens and I. Just doesn't care. If he's going to bring anyone into it, where's Santa Claus? He'll bring that into it, too. Yeah, well, Christmas is coming, I think, you know. But anyway. OK, Thank you, Alex. And what I would love to do because I know Nick's got a jet soon. I'm going to jump to some AI news, see if see what he's got. And actually I got a couple little tidbits as well. Nick, what do you got for us as far as AI is concerned? All right, so the first up, any clawed users out there that are on the clawed subscriptions, they just released Opus 4 and Sonnet 4, which I guess I mean I feel like a a broken record when they released the models is a significant leap in the AI technology. They're claiming both Opus and Sonnet 4 are significantly better with coding skills, coding reasoning, and they're even introducing.

32:44 They're the first ones. I know we haven't talked about it a lot, but MCP protocol agents, they basically built a platform that allows you to create these agents connected to different AI platforms like Claude, Gemini. I think ChatGPT might be able to get roped into their but they they built this whole platform basically for these agents to to be built on. Have played with it a little bit, but it it's kind of over my head at the moment. But so that's that's the first one Opus and Sonnet 4 the next one. I know last week we had talked about question. About this first though. Yeah, Yeah. Go ahead.

33:26 Do they they're both under clawed? What is 1 better for than the other? I mean is better for copywriting and the other one better for coding? Or why is there 2 under the same clawed umber? Yeah. So it's it's very similar to how ChatGPT and Gemini have been developing their models. So you'll have Chat GPTO 3 or I think maybe it's like O3 high and O3 Mini one models, a little bit more intense, use more resources, does a more thorough job. And then the other model is a little bit more lightweight, faster, more for I would say your high demanding tasks versus your lower demanding tasks is how I'd word it. If you want YouTube titles and podcasts, episode descriptions, you're probably going to go for the lower one just because it doesn't require as much thinking involved. Whereas if you want to a more well thought out research on something, or you're doing coding tasks that require it to actually use a lot more logic and reasoning, that's probably best how I would describe that.

34:32 I see. Thank you. I appreciate. It last week we were talking about Google, their new VO3 model, which generates video with sound, music, dialogue, the whole 9 yards. And with that, I think we briefly touched on it, but we didn't really dig into it and it's partially because I didn't fully understand it. But with the release of that model, they also released a tool called Flow. And I believe if you're a Gemini advanced subscriber, I know if you are an advanced subscriber, you can access this tool. I'm not sure if you're, you're just on one of the free accounts, if you can access it or not. But low is essentially this platform for developing your video content. It's like a, almost like a video creation studio, if you will. And I, I had the opportunity to play with that a little bit. I really want to dig deeper into it because it it looks crazy. It looks mind blowing on that Gemini Advance. I only get access to VO2.

35:34 I don't get that fancy VO3 model. But what this tool does is it allows you to basically become the director of a video. And I guess I'll try to paint a picture as best I can. So you start with either a text prompt or maybe you have an image that you want to be part of a scene. Maybe you generate a character with ChatGPT, You create the image, you pull that image in there and you can give it a prompt like how do you want to animate this image? What do you want it to do? It generates that video and then you kind of work your way down the timeline. So the video say you have a 5 seconds. Frame by frame, right? Yeah. So you have your, your new clip, your new video, and you can extract a specific frame from that video and feed it into the next prompt.

36:24 And you're basically developing the entire timeline for your movie or your short video as you go. You can upload an image, generate a prompt, and it adds that piece of the video to the timeline. Or you can take a specific frame from a previous video that you generated and add that to the next one where it makes everything a lot more seamless and it allows you to maintain character consistency throughout your entire video. It's not like you're regenerating the video from scratch every single time. Yeah, no, it's, it's a great tool, I think for creators. I think that there's a lot of freedom that it provides. You know, even if you're making, say a short form video or a long form video for your podcast, if you want to add layers to it, B roll, that's very specific.

37:13 Well, now you don't have to go out and purchase it. If you've got a picture that you want to use that maybe it's even a picture you took, you can feed it into this tool, the VO3 or actually flow, sorry, and then it will animate it for you. It will bring it to life for you, and you can use that as B roll. You can use that as a scene and actually have it talk and do all the things. But I can see this being a really valuable tool for content creators and podcasters. Yeah, I know Alex just left. I know that was something that he was really struggling with, was finding a tool because he wanted to have animation incorporated with their podcast for the daddy daughter Bookworm.

37:57 And this might be that solution. You can generate that character and then actually animate and keep that character throughout your entire video instead of feeling like you're starting from scratch every single time. I'm excited to really dig into it and play with it and really flush out how it all works. And I was telling Mark, I kind of want to come up with like a an idea for a little short film and see if I can put together like a 5 minute little movie kind of thing with it and just see how it go comes out. I think this this is going to be the future of video editing and yeah, content creation. I really think that. Raphael wants to know what's the cost? Do you know Nick? I'm not sure if it's available on the free Gemini model.

38:38 Like if you just access Gemini free I don't think you can access it. So I'm currently on the $20.00 a month. It's called Gemini Pro now, So if you have that, I know for sure you can just type in Google Flow and it'll bring you to, I think it's Google Labs. They have all kinds of different AI tools that you can get in there and play with. If you want access to the more advanced, the VO3 that's got the sound effects, music, all that that come into your video automatically. That is the Gemini Ultra model, which we talked about last week, $250 a month for that model. Yeah, and right now I think you can get it for 125 per month for the first three months.

39:20 So there's a little bit of a deal going on there. But yeah, you can still access VO2, which to be honest, VO2, I've been crazy impressed with the video output. It, it blows Sora out of the water. Like I, I won't even look at Sora anymore now that I've seen VO2. And hopefully VO3 will get cheaper and become more possible for everybody. And Nick, is it, this is a great question from Ashley. Is it does if you're paying for it, do you know is it giving you longer than 8 second videos like some you know these previous models were doing? I'm just reading the comment here longer than 8 seconds with sound, so I haven't actually played with the Gemini Ultra, their VO3 model, so I'm not positive what the output duration is.

40:09 I would say the advantage. Oh, that's actually a really good question. So if you have multiple videos, what does that do to your sound? But the advantage with flow, yeah, the advantage with flow is that you can continue like iterating on the video. So you might start with a 5 second video and then you bring in a frame from that video to the next video you generate. And now you have a 10 second video and you're like continually building clip by clip or scene by scene of how this total video is ultimately going to end up. Got it. OK, cool. And yeah, Raphael is balking at the $250 a month price. And I get it. And, and I definitely balked at it too. And I, when I think about it, it's still cheaper than me hiring an editor to do all sorts of a video editor specifically to do all sorts of stuff for me. So in that regard, if it really works as well as it seems to and it was relatively easy to use, it's still saving me time. It could be worth the 250 a month. I mean, and again, that depends on everybody and your personal situation and financial situations. But again, if if you're saying to yourself, you know, I can't afford a, a video editor at $50 a $100.00 an hour, but I could spend $250 a month and save myself a boatload of time. That might be just a perspective shift, if you will. Some people that might work out well. Janae, I want to check in with

41:39 you. Welcome to the stage. Did you want to add anything to this piece of the conversation? And then I want to get into some other headlines. Yeah, I love this conversation. This is what I've been playing with. I mean, I'm just getting started with, but I've been playing with Cling AI and VO2 sounds pretty cool. I have a product that I'm working on using VO2 which is 10 credits for a second video, whereas if I were to use VO3 in my the pro package, I think it's 100 credits per VO3 video. The Ultra, it lets you do a whole recipe or ingredients, which means that you can add music, you can add video and you can, you know, add sound effects and it'll put all of that stuff together.

42:22 Whereas VO3 and VO2 or the Pearl count, you just, it just creates a video and then you got to figure out how you're going to apply sound on top of it. Thank you, Janae. Appreciate that. OK. I want to keep things moving. Thank you Nick for some of that AI info. And I know that Nick's got found a a creator AI for creators report survey and not even a survey, a report that really that can be really eye opening. We just found it before the show started today. So we're going to look into it and maybe make an entire show of it. So to be continued on that, let me give you some events that are happening around the world for content creators. Vidcon in Anaheim that's coming June 19th through the 21st, one of the largest gatherings for digital creators and featuring panels, workshops and networking opportunities. There is a social their social media strategy Summit that's a virtual summit going on June 18th through the 19th. It's social media, marketing and influencer strategies and creator economy.

43:30 Live E happens in August, August 5th through the 6th in New York City. It's a place to engage with industry leaders and explore strategies to boost brand ROI and of course, podcast movement that's coming to Dallas in August. Yes, we we've talked about that once before recently. August in Dallas is an interesting decision, but none the less it will be there and it's the largest podcasting conference globally. Well, though with the podcast show, that might be changing with over 150 sessions across tracks for independent creators, professionals and tech innovators. They also have that huge Expo hall and major networking events like their I Heart Media Party. And we will skip to September and remind you that Empowered Podcasting is coming September 26th through the 28th, that's at the Hyatt Centric in Charlotte, South Park, North Carolina. And that is for the independent podcasters for connection, growth and collaboration.

44:35 We need speakers still. We have extended the deadline. We want to expand the speaker pool. So if that is something of interest to you, we would love to have you apply. Just go to empoweredpodcasting.com/speakers and and apply. This can be anything. You might have a specific area of expertise you want to share with others. You might have your own lessons learned as a content creator that you think would be helpful to share with other content creators. We're, we're hosting speakers, we're hosting workshops, whatever works best for you to present your information. We're pretty flexible on that. And again, go to empoweredpodcasting.com/speakers to apply. And if you haven't gotten your tickets, go for it. We're we're working on Pat Flynn. We're still going to work on Pat Flynn to be one of our main speakers.

45:28 And there are other speakers in the works as well that are names that you may know and there are some names that you may not know. But all of this will be really valuable info. If you were there last year, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And Dr. Do you want to share some podcasting? Actually, let's skip the podcasting jobs for a moment because I want to get to some headlines here. Dr. You want to take the first of the news bites that we've. Sure, sure. So Apple rolled out a brand new section on their creator site packed with resources for podcasters. We're talking about templates and how to guides and marketing materials.

46:11 And here's the part that I think a lot of creators will really love. They've teamed up with Canva. So now, whether you're a designer, pro or you've never touched a graphic in your life, you can create a full page, show art, promo materials with social media posts without wanting to pull out your hair. It's simple, it's clean, it's mostly importantly, it actually helps you show up better. And we have a link that we will share in the notes for you. And that's kind of cool. Yeah, very cool. And Sid, you had a question. Go ahead. More of a comment. So if you're an active Canva user, just remember that in June, Canvas pricing changes.

46:58 If you have a team, you might want to reconsider a team. I believe their team goes up to $400.00 beginning in June and then it's like $100 per additional person. And they're really, really encouraging you when you share something to add somebody to your team, you get a little pop up box. So just be mindful. If you have people on a team, you might want to disassemble the team before you get hit with an unexpected $400.00 a month charge. Yeah, that's, that's a good tip. And I was going to ask you what's the difference between what if you're a team of two, but you know, I'm still counts. How do you? Define a team. Doesn't matter, it's team is U + 1.

47:40 So it's just semantics basically if I'm sharing it with my social. Sharing, I think is different. Sharing is. Different. Yeah, You have a little when you go into Canva, there's a little something that'll say DRS team and you would need to remove anybody that you added to your team because what that does is take you to a separate canvas site. Where? Just your team sees the things that you've put there and they announced it a couple of months ago and but it the team goes up to 400 bucks and then after you get so many people, then you'd like pay another $100 per person kind of thing. And when you share like DR5 were to create something and share with you is going to give me a check box to add you to my team. And if I choose not to do that after I share with you, then I'm going to get a pop up box that says add Dr. to your team. So they're like really pushing this team creation with the anticipation of this really.

48:31 Big. Annual fee coming. Yeah, correct. Yeah. Correct, I need to go in and check what I've clicked. On All right and in other news, the podcast show in London brought together more than 6000 people over 2 full days of conference sessions and bustling exhibition floor. Let's see they add in the various live events happening through the week and the total number of participants crossed 10,000 people. If we add in those live events Wednesday, last Wednesday saw an especially high turn out. Jason Carter, the event's founder, made it clear that the focus of the show isn't on chasing bigger numbers.

49:14 The mission is to keep refining the experience and creating deeper engagement. And that kind of intention, in my opinion, matters a lot. It's exactly how we've designed the empowered podcasting conference. I'll, I'll be at smaller that that is the intention behind our conference focused on creating a space for meaningful connections, real conversations and ideas that actually move people forward. So I think that that's really cool to hear them say and from the what the feedback I'm seeing online and from some colleagues, it was an amazing event and they really did feel that meaningful connection.

49:54 And, and I saw people saying they had a lot of real conversations. So it sounds like that the podcast show is certainly living up to that expectation. Kudos to them. And you know, I'm curious though, can, does anyone think could, could that last if, if this thing continues to grow and they have upwards of 10,000 people, can you really have a conference that develops meaningful connections and real conversations? And I asked that because I had a lot of people come to me after and during the Empowered Podcasting conference, saying that what they really liked about it was that it was smaller. There were last year around 100 or so people there. And a lot of those people appreciate it because they were, they felt they could make more meaningful connections. They had those deeper conversations and I feel like that could be a challenge.

50:50 It's it's the challenge that I'm faced with. If we're going to do this for years to come, do we keep growing it as far as attendees or does it need to cap out at some point because too many will lose that that feel. Certainly podcast show is so far proven that they can make make that happen. But I I question whether or not it can it's sustainable at such a large number. Yeah, Dr., go ahead. I think you should cap it. I think you should cap it. And then it there's also that sense of urgency like, oh, I got to get in because I know they they cap it. And also you maintain that intimate thing. And I know Jason Carter has, I know he says he wants to keep the intimacy, but when you're talking about, you know, 6000 people, I just don't think that's possible. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel as well. And Janae, what do you got to say about that? I totally agree with Dr. as well and Craft and Commerce, they have their attendees like after we've sold this from our tickets or you know, they're not going to tell so take anymore, they're going to be settling out and go to their site. It says, hey, the event is now sold out, come back next year. And that's a good way because again, you keep that intimacy, keep the connections because just this past weekend there's a local event in Baltimore, it's

52:22 IGNA, Islamic Circle of North America. And they put these events 2 * a year, the Muslim event that's 40,000 people. So you have to be able to support where the folks for the public, you know, people are going to stay. What are you going to do? Event halls were both all the speaker halls were, you know, full. So they have a huge bizarre section where there was hundreds, like I think there was 1100 different aisles or maybe no, I'm just thinking, but there's like hundreds of vendors there selling all sorts of things. So it all comes out to, OK, what's the purpose? What do we want the people to take out of here and, you know, making that event meaningful as well? Yeah.

53:11 Thank you, Janae. I think that's a good example of, you know, the challenge and Mike put it in the chat. Yeah, maybe what we do is we do cap empowered podcasting at a certain number and when we do, then that's where we extend it. And we do empowered podcasting east, West, maybe north-south. And we do more events that are smaller, more intimate. That kind of idea I can get on board with for sure. Dr. Did you want to say something else? I'm just going to repeat what was just said that now that we've solved your cap or no cap, now the problem is what number do you cap it at? Yeah, yeah. Oh, and Roth says in the chat Empowered Podcasting Europe.

53:53 Yeah, after being in Madrid in Portugal, I would love to do one over there. Roth for sure. And Dr. again, I'm sorry, your question. Oh, what's what is that number, the magic number? I don't know. The number that sticks out in my head is 500. I feel like that's just enough, you know, it's, it feels like it, it will feel like a big event, but at the same time, I believe that kind of number still intimate enough to get people to really connect and have those deep, meaningful conversations. That's about half the size of what I see at a pod fest. So for those of you attending there, there's a visual for you. We'll see. We got to get to Empowered Podcasting 2 first, and we need attendees there in order to have these kinds of conversations. So please, if you haven't already, go to empoweredpodcasting.com and sign up. And I'll just say for podcasting morning chat listeners, if you want 50 bucks off, we are not publicizing that anywhere else except for last year's attendees. If you want 50 bucks off, reach out, let me know. We can make that happen per ticket. All right, so with that, look, we are just about at the 8:00 hour.

55:05 So what we're going to do, I will tell you tomorrow, we're going to get into a few different stories. For example, we are going to talk about a story that's been going on for a couple of years now that pops up every so often, SiriusXM and their battle with the National Association of the Deaf. This has to do with transcriptions or lack thereof. So we'll talk a little bit about that. We're also going to get into open video podcasting. In other words, there's something in the works that the standard RSS feed will start allowing video as well as audio that would change the game considerably. We'll talk about more as to how and why, and we'll get more into some of the podcast show 2025.

55:48 They had a an article come out recently after the event talking about the 20 trends redefining the audio podcasting landscape. So stay tuned for that and more on Apple and other platforms making waves in the industry. So join us tomorrow at 7:00 AM Eastern right here at the Podcasting morning chat. You can find us on clubhouse. You can find us on YouTube live. We put all of those links for you in the show notes, including the stuff we talked about today. We'll put that in the show notes as well. So until tomorrow, make it a great day everybody take care.