330 - Podcasting Hills You'd Die On?

0:04 Good morning, podcasting morning chat. Today is Friday, June 27th, 2025, and today we're talking about a spicy one. What's a podcasting hill you're willing to die on? From editing pet peeves to format debates, bring your boldest takes. We're going there. So if you're listening live on Clubhouse, hit the share button, bottom left hand side of the screen and share it. However, Clubhouse lets you. And if you're listening via podcast, please share this episode with a fellow podcaster. And now give us about 30 seconds and we'll get things rolling. Thanks for being here.

1:20 Good morning again, podcasting morning chat. Thank you for being here. I am your host Mark Ronik and on stage currently with me, we've got Dr. Faye, producer Ashley Feller, Amanda Sharp and Sid Meadows. And thanks to all of you who are filing in here on Clubhouse in the audience. Much appreciated and remember that you can also watch yours truly on YouTube. I am simulcasting from Clubhouse to YouTube and would love to have you join over there. And I'm also going to ask again, please share the podcasting morning chat with a fellow podcaster, somebody who you think could benefit from community benefit from some solid podcasting advice from multiple experienced podcasters. I really could use your help spreading the word, so thank you in advance for that.

2:11 Share it with one person this weekend if you don't mind. All right, so today I want to get into this question and get people's opinions. Let's throw this out on the table. What's a podcasting hill you're willing to die on? And I'm talking about that one belief or an opinion that you've got about podcasting that you'll defend no matter what, even if nobody else agrees. It could be something like I had said a moment ago, it could be about anything like gear. Maybe it's growth strategies, formats, monetization, whatever. If it fires you up or you're, you find yourself saying it all the time or thinking it all the time, that's probably your hill. So what is it?

3:01 And I will, I, well, actually, I was going to say I would start, But Dr. seems like she's ready to roll. So, Dr., go for it. Good morning. So I thought of one on my own and then you kindly gave me a little bit of a list that I thought, oh God, I think I think that too. So the first one is a Trello. I am a Trello girl through and through, and I cannot do an episode without there being a Trello card in front of me with one of those little checklists and tell me what's next and what to do. I love Trello, but as I think further, you know this whole thing about video and you've got to, you've got to have video. No, you don't.

3:47 You don't got to have video. There are lots of podcasts that don't have video that are doing great. Stop stealing mine. Stop stealing mine. That's OK. I have a feeling I'm not the only one on this hill. I keep falling back on one of my mentor's sayings that, you know, he has made a six figure income by not being on YouTube and like every month he's like double Downing on that saying, see, here's here's the proof and I'm double Downing. So yeah, doubling down, double Downing. Yeah.

4:30 I was going to just question that, Yes. Languaging is. Hard way to throw my one of my words back at me. Yeah, OK, well, thank you DRI appreciate that and I hopefully that gets the juices flowing for some people and by the way, if you're listening live, come up and share and I appreciate you sharing also in the chat. I see, Dave, you've said that your answer here is podcasting should never be done alone. And I would love to hear you come up and share more. And if you can't, then put it in the chat. But I would love to hear more on that. And then Adam says it's your podcast, do it however you want. That's a hill that I would join you on. Adam, I think that I was just having this conversation yesterday again with somebody and it wasn't even necessarily podcast related.

5:23 Because I think this can apply to so many areas of our lives where there's so much information, so much advice out there about any given thing. And there are usually conflicting pieces of advice out there. And whether it's conflicting or just a plethora of different tips and strategies. I think that can be a recipe sometimes for overwhelm and maybe even freezing and not doing anything with all of the information because you just have so much and you don't know which direction to go. Guilty. I'm one of those people that can get wrapped up in so much advice that then I just freeze and don't do anything. Thankfully, with podcasting, I think that I don't do that often.

6:14 I think that it really does come down to what feels right to me. If there's a strategy, a new strategy I hear, does it resonate with me? And if it doesn't, don't force it. I can maybe keep a list, which I sometimes do keep a list of some advice that I've heard that maybe it made me cock my head a little bit, but it didn't move the needle enough for me to want to take action on it. But I'll keep that list there in case I want to revisit it at some point. And that tends to alleviate the pressure of having to do it right now because at least I know it exists somewhere, and I can go back to it at another time. So what else?

6:56 If you could make every podcaster follow a rule, what would it be? I want to hear from somebody on stage, like, besides me and Dr. And then I'll share another one of mine. Yeah. Amanda, good morning. Go ahead. I would say just start. Like it drives me nuts when people just don't start. And I know Sid, I don't think Stacy Sherman would mind me using her as an example. But Sid, do you remember the hours and the days that she would spend leading up to like, it was like a year leading up to her podcast? She just was so worried about every single detail and doing it 100% right, which we know there's no 100% right way. It's just getting it done and putting it out there. And I mean, she got in her own way. And I think it was really until Dominic said in one of the rooms, he said, you know, you got to bet on yourself. And it like almost hit her in the head to the point where that was what she needed to hear to really, like, RIP off the Band-Aid and go.

7:55 And that woman has been like just grinding and doing all the things and invited to LinkedIn to do training videos or something like that there. And she's speaking and she's traveling all over the place. So had she just not finally started, who knows what she would be doing right now? Yeah, you know, but it took her a solid. I mean, Sid, wouldn't you say? Like it was like a year of her joining us in the mornings. I. Was late. It was at least here. Good morning, everybody. And it's a great recommend. It's a great reminder. I mean, yeah, it was at least a year. And I've heard Stacy talk about that on podcasts, episodes that she's been a guest on. She's talked about it here, too. Being stuck. Yeah. Say that again. She's talked about it here too, a few times.

8:37 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, just being stuck in that and scared to open the box, scared to get started. I think it's great. We have another one of those in our midst now to Mark. Oh yes. I didn't want to use that example. It just felt so rude. So I was like, you know what, Henry, all of you, I'm pretty. No, no, sad story. Actually she has like 12 episodes in the can. I think she does. She does, she just doesn't release them. Thank you. That's. True too. That's true too. I did. I did 20 episodes that I'm still sitting on. She's a closet podcaster. Yes. Yeah, she's a private podcaster. She does podcasts for herself.

9:18 Go ahead, Dr. It's true. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Yes, but I believe, I believe Dr. is launching in a handful of weeks, isn't that right? Yeah. I thought she played January of 2020. Well, that is, she did say that originally, yes. Or was it 1825? I'm not really sure, Yeah. I. Know, but I think that's a a great 1 Amanda really just just press record, just start. And I think that kind of ties in some cases anyway, to what we were just talking about Adam's answer in the chat about information overload. And I would say this if Stacy was here too, I think Stacy can at least historically, I don't know about currently, but in the past, Stacy tends to be a person who collects so much information and does her due diligence, does her homework. But I think to the point where then it's so much that she got overwhelmed and was afraid to press start. So sometimes it's it does just.

10:29 I guess the advice would be simplify it for yourself, just make it as simple as possible. Go ahead, Sid. Sinead, when he was here a few weeks ago, talked about having Oh my gosh, Mark, come here with the with the guy's name the famous guy had on the show. Oh, a Pat Flynn. Pat Flynnn, thank you. And he had Pat Flynn on his show and they talked about this in episode about information overload or learning too much. And I think that's he, Pat Flynn talked about I'm going to butcher this. He had a name for it. He talked about this, I think he called it a rule of three or five. And you basically learn 5 things and then you implement and just stop learning just like go and do it.

11:15 He has a, he has a name for this. And I can't believe I don't remember it because I thought, wow, that's a really great episode. But we all get stuck in that. No, something like that. Nick, I have to go find that Lean learning. I just saw it in the chat Lean learning. Yeah, that's the name of the book. Yeah. Yeah. And about how you just take the things you've learned and, and lean into those and do those things and take action. Because I think all of us can get caught up in, well, I need to learn this, I need to learn that and I need to figure out how to do this. If you got to do that, actually, no, you just need to get started to the point you need to get started and you need to take action because there's a lot of learning that comes from action. Thank you, Sid. Yeah, I'm really excited to dig into Pat's book because I, I really, I agree. I think it speaks exactly to what we're talking about. And I love the idea of picking whatever that magic number is, whether it's five things, three things, picking a few things that you feel like you can tackle and just focus there and stop worrying about all the other things. We've got to, we've got to pick something and start taking action on it if we want to move the needle. And just collecting information really doesn't do a whole heck of a lot, except maybe makes you sound like you know what you're talking about.

12:30 But experience does play a role in knowing what you talk, what you're talking about, in my opinion. OK, who else? Anyone else want to share any ideas? Maybe it's an editing hack. Maybe you feel like editing out all the Umm's and Ah's is a must. Maybe you feel like it should never happen. I have one, but Ashley put something in the chat she wanted to go. So Ashley, you go 1st and then I'll go. OK, Thanks. Sid. I've been thinking of how to phrase this and it's more of an attitude towards not naming your podcast as if it's an inside joke with yourself. And the reason I bring this up is because I'm so guilty of that.

13:12 With my first podcast, the Saint Andrews Jezebel podcast, that name was only meaningful to me. It really didn't have much meaning outside of my immediate circles. Also, there's several other Saint Andrews in the world, so it really wasn't an effective title. So a hell that I'll die on is be very intentional. Of. What you name your podcast? Thank you, Ashley. I love that. I put out a video about that just recently, maybe at the beginning of this week about yeah, and not not making your titles an inside joke. And that can be for your podcast overall title. It can be for your episode titles too. I am very guilty of that.

13:53 From my old podcast, The Mark and Lowell Show, I every episode title just about was an inside joke in the sense that the way that we titled our episodes was based on something that was shared, something that was said a phrase, a term, a word during the episode. So you have to listen to the episode to know to to understand the title, which is clever. I feel like it is a clever thing to do. And I've seen TV shows do that. Actually, I remember because the I used to name my episodes that way. And then I remember the old Netflix show Orange is the New Black, and I'm 99% sure that's the show I'm thinking of.

14:37 And they would title their episodes with something spoken during the episode. So you know, it is a strategy, but it's one that I don't feel is terribly effective, especially for a newer podcast. I think if you're a long time established podcast with an established community, you can probably get away with that, but it's not doing you any favors as far as discoverability, searchability, etcetera. I love that one. Thank you, Ashley and Sid, I'm going to come to you in a second. I'm going to go to one of our guests on the stage. Jeff, good morning. Welcome back to the stage. What did you want to add? Did you want to answer this question? What's a podcasting hill you die on? I have a few.

15:19 One we've discussed. If you're speaking in a podcast conference and your advice is you should be on all the platforms, you should be immediately removed from that conference. For. Giving such obvious advice, and that's 1/2 is I do think, while I agree that you don't need video, a cast I will die in the hill that you need to be on YouTube, which technically is a video format but it doesn't have to be video, which I think most people when they say that mean a visual of the people talking or some kind of thing. YouTube is a huge search engine for and for podcast discovery, and it's important that your shows be on YouTube, even if it's not a video of the actual interview itself and just the audio with a single image.

16:07 And then I will say that I think removing the odds and the arms and the long pauses and fixing the audio to make a more constructive reality of still what happened, but that's easier on the ears for the person listening is important. I think when you start to remove eyes, arms and horribly long deep breaths, you can realize that you can cut sometimes, depending on the length of the interview or the conversation minutes, if not 10 minutes out of an interview when removed. And you know, when we talk about making the front of the interview short, are the intros short to get into the podcast?

16:50 But we're OK leaving, you know, so much dead air spread throughout. I think it weighs on people's ears and it actually is a subconscious deterrent. So I spend time doing it. I also realize that I'm probably crazy, but anyway. But that's. Well, I don't think you're crazy because I think a lot of people are on that hill with you. And I think there are a lot of people that are on the opposite hill that feel like, no, don't edit all those out. And I think there's a happy medium. So I'm curious, like, are you editing out every UMM and every AH and every extremely long pause, or are you being selective about it? Well, I think there's some that you can't because it will disrupt the video or the audio. I mean, you know what I mean?

17:32 Like if I'm talking, then I'm talking, you know, I mean, like, you can't cut that out, you know what I'm saying? But if I'm talking and it's more like a filler thought, oh, Mark, that green frog that you love, you know what I mean? Nobody has to hear that, you know, Kermit, Kermit, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, that can be edited, you know what I mean? Like and like, so those are the types of things I think deep breaths. I think if once you hear a deep breath, it haunts you and anyone who can watch the news and anything where I did that to my wife, once I'm like, listen, she goes, what are you talking about? Like, listen for that deep breath where they go and like and then she goes, oh, you.

18:13 So they once she heard it, she couldn't unhear it, right. And so, so it's just, it's just my, it's just my ear preference that's. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm kind of with you, Jeff. I mean, I at least I used to be when especially with my old show, I used to edit out just about every, umm and ah, occasionally, like you said, we sometimes swallow those filler words. So you can't really edit it out without it sounding weird. But I, I think where I've landed on it is that it's a balance. I think that eventually we become pretty experienced editors and I think we start to learn really like what, what kind of or what kind of filler word is it OK to leave in or really what instance is it OK? And in other instances, we may find, yeah, you got to take it out just because it's kind of disruptive to the show or it slows it down.

19:05 Agree 100. Percent. Yeah, right. Thanks, Jeff. Appreciate that. And DRI saw you wanted to add on to something. Go ahead. I'm in the kitchen, but I couldn't resist. So I just got through editing a show that has an adult host and his two teenage guests. And I, I gotta tell ya, there's, there was some major editing going on there. So like, like, like, like, you know, like, like, Oh my God, just just about killed me. I don't know about you guys, but as somebody who's been editing podcasts for a long time, do you notice that when you're having regular conversations with people off air, not with, not on a podcast, do you notice that you kind of mentally are editing them?

19:57 I do that, like no offense to my lovely wife, but I do notice she uses umm, a lot. Particularly I I think I'm where I notice it most is when she's on work calls and and she's clearly saying it to fill the space. It's, it's obvious to me that she's saying it because she's uncomfortable with the silence and I so badly while when I hear her on the calls, I so badly want to like call it out in the moment, but I don't because I don't want to be disruptive. I don't want to throw her or the call off. But you know, occasionally I will have to say something afterwards. Like, hey, pay attention to when you're talking, how many times you say.

20:42 But yeah, I'm doing a lot of editing in real life mentally in my head, and not just with her. I I just noticed that. And same thing with the likes. I when I hear somebody using the word like so many times, I am editing that in my head. It's a blessing and a curse. All right. Who else? Oh, Sid, Yes. Let's check in. You said you had an answer to what's a podcasting hill you're willing to die on? Go for it. And good morning again, everybody. I think to be a podcaster, you'd have to be a consumer of podcasts to a lot of people who are starting a podcast that have never listened to 1 And I think to be a podcaster, you have to be a consumer of podcast.

21:23 I like that one. I mean, I've certainly had. I love that one. I love. That I've had some clients that admittedly come to me. I want to start a podcast. I don't really listen to podcasts now maybe I I don't think I've ever had a client that said I've never heard a single podcast, but they aren't regular listeners of them. And and then one of my first homework assignments for them is to go find a few podcasts that speak to the same target audience that they want to speak to and then they're willing to go do that. And this reminds me of another question that has rubbed me the wrong way in the past and DRI think actually, I saw it again recently by your mentor that you mentioned earlier, Adam, he posted on threads that you must Oh, and I think I called it out and I mentioned it to you, Dr. He he called, he said you must.

22:18 If you're going to be a podcast producer, a podcast coach or consultant you've had, you have to have. Had a podcast? Yeah, you have to have a podcast or to be a coach of podcasters and I yes. That's what it says. Yeah, I firmly disagree with that. And before I rant about that, I saw Amanda wanted to chime in. So go for it, Amanda. I'm laughing at this because just this morning I was listening to a podcast to sits point. If you're a podcaster, you should listen to them. And it's from, it was about a like a shop, a retail shop podcast. And she no longer has a retail shop And she, I had found her on TikTok and I'm like, I'll go listen to an episode or two. But there was something about her not currently having a retail shop that I, I debated.

23:10 Did I want to move forward listening to this episode? Because unless you're in the thick of it, do you really know the current challenges a shop owner is going through? Do you really have the advice that Amanda Sharp needs in 2025 if you haven't had a brick and mortar shop since I don't know how many years? So there's it's so funny that you're saying this, but in in the aspect of podcasting, because I just had that thought. So I feel like my thought might apply the same way if I was thinking about it from a podcasting, you know, management company or something like that. I feel like you almost have to at least have had one to have the authority to speak on it. But that's just me, so I'm just laughing at myself. I just have to share.

23:56 Thank you. Yeah, and that's an unusual coincidence for sure. Jonathan Howard is on stage. Jonathan, good morning. Did you want to add to this? I just wanted to add to Amanda and it kind of applies, I guess to the podcasting, but what if they had 20 years of of retail location and then they've been out of it for five years? I mean, I've worked retail for 18 years. No, and I agree. And that's why I really, it was an internal struggle, Jonathan. Like I was going, but this is a very weird time to be a shop owner, right? But I guess the how you react within a struggling economy is the same whether it be 2025 or 2007.

24:38 So to your point, So yeah, it and I listen to the episode at the end of the day, I really did. But there was that internal struggle of me going. Does she have authority now to tell me what to do? But I did give her a chance because like, to your point, she had been in retail and had a shop for many, many years. So I gave it a listen and I'm glad I did right then. Same for podcasts. If you were podcast over 20 years and now you don't have a podcast, you still have a ton of knowledge that most people don't have. So I don't know, that's just my thought. Yeah, maybe she should have a Co host that is a current shop owner, sage wisdom of someone who's been in it for a long time and the new owner that is going through the thick of it.

25:24 I mean, I see where that could work, I just. Think if you've got the sage wisdom, why can't that stand on its own? Because business is forever evolving. I mean, look at the whole tariff situation. But the challenges are always the same. We're gaining weight too. Often. No, it's OK. I like this because it all applies. It all applies. So wait, let's Alex will come to you in a second. Amanda, go ahead. But tying it back to the podcast, exactly like what Dr. just said, I mean the the marketing of a podcast has changed the tools that a podcaster uses. So a current is having a current podcast as somebody who is coaching important as opposed to somebody who did it 10 years because some of the practices that they did in 10 years ago kind of irrelevant. So I can see both sides for sure in having a real life example of how my mind thought that this morning just so timely. And, you know, podcasts that say, you know, if you were podcasting 10 years ago and now you're teaching podcasters, podcasting has changed over the past 10 years considerably, right?

26:33 And you know, if we're using this as an example, that podcaster who's now teaching others, that podcaster has experience. And if they have a business where they're helping podcasters to this day, they still have experience in the industry, a current experience in this industry. And I so, you know, I think it that's irrelevant, at least in podcasting, but I think, you know, in as same thing as far as business goes, right? Like, yeah, you maybe you owned a business for a bunch of years and you've been out of the game now for a handful of years. But over those handful of years you've been out of it, you're still showing other people how to do it.

27:14 You have to stay up to date if you're going to be good at that. I know Sid really wants to chime in. Go ahead, Sid, and then we'll go to Alex. Thank you, Mark. So my comment to this is that if you have experience in doing something and you did something for a really long time and then you stop doing it, now you're teaching people to do that thing, whatever that thing is, whether it's podcasting or running a retail store or selling office furniture, right? As long as you maintain connection to that industry, as long as you are a student to that end of that industry, as long as you keep up with what's happening to Amanda's point, what's happening in retail in that industry, right, and you're continuing to learn about the industry even though you might not be doing it, then I do believe you're qualified to talk about it.

28:01 But I think the key here is you have to continue to be a student of that industry about that all the time. On my show, being a student of the office furniture industry, I really haven't sold furniture in a long time. But I talked about selling furniture all the time because I keep up with it. I'm read about it, I'm in the know, I listen to podcast about it, right? I keep up with the trends and things that are happening. So I think you have to be a student of that industry in order to continue to talk about and provide advice to people who are doing something in that industry. Boom. Yeah, I agree. I agree with you Sid. And I have another thought. I'm going to bite my tongue and let some others share 1st and then I'll go ahead. Alex, what did you want to add?

28:43 Good morning. I think that it kind of summed it up really well. I'm a firm believer, just because you're not on the cusp of all the latest and greatest, you can talk about a subject. And the way I look at it is as a host, if you're bringing people in, then you're also a student as well as an expert. And maybe that's a different way of looking at it. For instance, if you wanted to start a, a real estate podcast, Amanda, you could probably do it even though you've been out of the business for probably about almost a year. But you could go along the lines of bringing the people in that are the experts and then bringing your knowledge of weight, you do it.

29:30 And that's kind of the way I look at a lot of this is because a lot of people talk about a lot of topics that they just happen to love and they're not in the trenches. I think that you do have to put your work in to this point. You, you have to be around that industry. But at the same time, that's why you have guests to further the conversation, to get people to be more knowledgeable about it. Now, if you're just a single person just talking about whatever the heck you want to talk about, that's a different story. But I really do believe that a true guess, whether it's an Oprah, O'Donoghue, whoever, they have no clue about all the different topics, but they just further the conversation. And I think that's where I believe a lot of podcasting can go.

30:17 And maybe that's not the right way of looking at it, but you kept bringing up the television. I think Jeff was talking about the television example, and I think that's kind of where I'm looking at it. Yeah, No, I think that's a good point. Yeah, I think you're stressing these points. Yeah. And I know Nick wants to add something, too. And we also have Sharon here, and I'm sure, Alex, you can you'll connect with this too 'cause I know you are a fan of the NFL. And Ashley put in the chat, you know, it's like saying you can't be a soccer coach if you didn't play soccer. And I was thinking about that, too. With the NFL, there are plenty of coaches that have never played the game of football in the NFL at the professional level level.

31:02 And as matter of fact, I believe Bill Belichick, New England Patriots coach long time that you know side by side with Tom Brady. For those of you who may not recognize the name for some reason never played football and has won I think the most Super Bowls out of any coach in NFL history. So I think that can apply in podcasting and office furniture wherever I think it the same thing can apply it. Look, I think it helps. I'm not saying it doesn't help if if you're a pod, if you've been a podcaster and now you're teaching podcasters, yes, it 100% helps. And I believe there are people out there that can still do it well, even having not podcasted.

31:44 Maybe there are podcast listeners, you know, avid listeners and they've learned a lot about podcasting through all the shows they listen to. Yes, Alex, I think, I think the problem is nowadays people just want the facts. And it's hard for people to, I mean, and that's just, it's just the nature of the business. We're so hyper focused on everything. We just want to Google and get the answer. And, and I think that's part of the problem too. And sometimes the answer isn't a straight line, but that's just like a lot of people's journey. So I think that that's a big problem as they use a lot of likes as well for Dr. Thank you, Alex. And what is this? What is this Google you speak of? I only know of AI when I'm looking for answers. I don't know of this Google thing. It's this thing.

32:30 I don't know it. It used to be called Yahoo and then it used to be called Ask Jeeves. Anyone remember that one? OK, Sharon, I'm coming to you and then I'm going to go to Nick. Go ahead, Sharon. Good morning. Hey, Mark, I hope you're well. I just want to thank you for your YouTube channel. I've been watching it, watching it primarily your short. Thank you. So I just inspire encourage you to keep going, keep going. Yes. And also, Mark, another thank you to you for your, I listened to the podcast from yesterday. I think it was may have been the day before, but you talked about the Signal Hill podcast report and I did download that from my community. So thank you for again for mentioning that. You're welcome.

33:16 But I wanted, yes, I wanted to talk about what everybody's been talking about. I wanted to just expand on it and particularly what Amanda would say. Amanda, great points. You made everybody make great points. Amanda reminded me of this. I started writing some notes when she was speaking. I was like she was right on regarding her, the entrepreneur person that she followed. It reminds me of this. I have people in my my membership and one speaks to single people. She helps them become engaged and get married and she's no longer married. She was married twice to her ex-husband and she's been divorced for a number of years. Is she an authority?

33:57 Absolutely she is. And then I talked. I I thought about the retired NBA player or, or NFL players been retired for maybe maybe it was in the NFL for 10 years, maybe been retired for five. Are we not going to say you can coach my kids, right, right. So I, yeah. So what I'm thinking about is that this all depends on the delivery of the person, what their focus is on and what we can, how we can benefit from their message, how they are marketing themselves. And and then I think Jeff, I think Jeff said this or maybe it was Alex regarding people wanting to get straight to the point.

34:44 And that's true. Even when we podcast, we get right to the point, but we can come right back around to historic data that can be relevant and helpful to people because history and foundations, they do mean something. So that's my take on it. This is a great discussion. Thank you so much. Thank you. And I appreciate your take on this as well. And that was I was thinking, yeah, I mean, I same kind of thing as what as your example, I was thinking, you know, there are plenty of people that go to marriage counseling and the therapist or counselor is divorced. And, you know, on the service level, I kind of get like, you know, should I be going to this counselor if they're divorced?

35:26 But at the same time, they they've learned, I'm sure a lot in their own experience about what what I don't want to say a bad marriage, but what a failed marriage is what happens in a failed, failed marriage? What happens to a failed marriage? That that therapist, that counselor certainly has some experience about what works and what doesn't. But yeah, on the service level, I would, you know, I might tilt my head at first, like, do I want to go to this counselor if they've been divorced? But yes, of course they've got experience. Experience is the key. Nick, you wanted to add something? Go ahead. Yeah. Good morning. I first wanted to highlight a comment that Michael put in the chat, which I think is important for this conversation.

36:10 He said an expert is someone who simply knows more than their audience. And I think that is 100% spot on because, yeah, maybe you have experience editing podcasts and you're teaching someone who has never edited a podcast before in their life and they want to learn. They don't know what programs you use or anything like that to them. You are. Very much an expert you might not have all the insurance and outs of marketing a podcast or maybe interviewing things like that, but to some degree and to some level you are an expert. You know more than the people that you are speaking to or that you are reaching with your services and that you can't take that away. Whether you've done a podcast for a year, you've never done a podcast and you just love to learn about what podcasts seem like, how the industry works.

37:02 You know more than somebody. And if you are speaking to that audience that doesn't know anything, you are qualified to help them in my opinion. But second note to all of that, like I agree. Like there is something to having the experience or when I, whenever I look for coaches and things like that, like I typically am looking for someone who has experience in the thing that I'm looking for. But everyone's situation is unique, everyone's circumstances for their podcast or their business, whatever is different. And just because Mark has a successful podcast production company doesn't necessarily mean that my podcast is going to be a success if I go to him. And I guess the, the main point that I was trying to make with this is like maybe Mark has a podcast about, it's like a comedy podcast, thinking about the Mark Lowell show, kind of more comedy talkative podcast.

37:56 Maybe I have a business podcast. They're two very separate podcasts. But that doesn't mean that Mark's knowledge is any less helpful as a podcast coach because he's in the podcast industry. And yeah, I think I'm starting to ramble and lose my train of thought here. Well, I'm, I'm getting you. I'm following you just. Yeah, you're saying just maybe the different genres, just because they're different genres that we're working and doesn't make one person any less knowledgeable or experienced than the other. And that that kind of fights to that. The point of that post that you said where if you don't have a podcast, you can't be a coach because every situation is unique. You might have a podcast and you still might not be able to help the person next to you and you might not have a podcast, but you have knowledge that is able to help that person next to you. So it's I don't think it's a an all-encompassing truth statement.

38:53 Agreed. Agreed. And sometimes when I see people make those kinds of statements on social media, I feel like they're just doing it to bait people in, to get people to comment, to get people riled up. I'm not necessarily saying it was Adam doing that Dr., but I do think some people just put those out there just to get a rise. He actually really feels that way, so. I know he does. I know he does. Yeah. And I know Julie is joining us on stage here. Let me see if I can get her up to. Maybe I'll give her the final word. Julie, you want to come up here? Let me try to get her up here. Let's see if we can do that. And then we are going to get to our wins from this past week. Hello, Julie.

39:38 Go for it. Hi I. I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I'm clear about the, the what you were talking about. It's about like do you have enough experience to be a coach or a trainer? Is that kind of where we were? Going Yeah, well, so. Yeah. So today the question, the main questions been what's a podcasting hill you're willing to die on? And we got to somebody's hill. Nobody here in particular, but there is a common hill that I've heard people standing on where they say. You can't be a podcast coach or trainer or producer if you've never had a podcast. Oh, OK, that's interesting. You know what I see? This is so funny because I am, I'm trained as a coach. So there is, and I'm, I'm sure all of you know this, there's this ICF certification for coaching and then there's like, so you, you train just to become a coach and you train just to become a trainer and an instructional designer. That's like a discipline.

40:36 And then all the other stuff that you add on to it is an expertise. And as a trainer, like when you get paid at work, you have to learn the thing they want you to train on. You don't always know it, you know, and so you then you have to learn the actual skill that you're training on. So I think it's a really interesting conversation because it's kind of like both, right? You I, I've been podcasting for three years and I'm a coach and a trainer. I'm I'm well positioned to be somebody's and trainer and coach. And so I don't always just think of it as coaching because a lot of the times you're training somebody and they're really different. They're different disciplines, but you kind of add them all together and you just call yourself a coach, you know? So I just think the whole concept is fascinating because you know, as a trainer especially, you never feel like an expert because you're always trying to learn the next thing you have to train somebody on.

41:36 And so I just wanted to throw that out there as we're having this conversation because those words are really interesting to me. They mean different things. And so when I work with someone, I tell them I'm a trainer, I'm a coach and I'm a consultant. And so in this conversation, I'm going to wear multiple hats with you. But I want you to understand when I'm doing the different things because coaching is me asking you a lot of questions and you and answering them back so that you can have some sort of change in perspective or transformation. You know, training is me teaching you something that you didn't know, like the discipline of it. And consulting is like me giving you my opinion and my my expertise and knowledge, my mentoring in that part of it.

42:24 So I just think that it's a very interesting conversation. I'll end it there. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. I all good points and good distinctions to point out as well. And other good points, 1 coming from Mike Short in the chat saying most news producers were never an anchor. And yeah, that's a great point. They may not have ever been a field reporter either. And name, as a matter of fact, may have just always started in on their career in that production, on that production side of things, never being in front of a camera, never holding the microphone. And there's some pretty damn good producers who'd have no experience on the camera side of things.

43:09 And Jeff, I I don't know Jeff, if Ted Lasso counts, even though, yes, you're right, he never coached soccer. But I think we're, we're, I think we got to talk about real people. And I know Jeff has left, but yeah, Jeff put that in the chat before he left. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Ted Lasso is not real. No, Sid, he's not real. Oh man, I've learned so much from Ted. Well, that's OK. You can still learn from him. The content is very real. Yeah, but I don't think we can use him as a solid example. All right, let's go ahead and share our wins from this past week. We will take the last 10-15 minutes or so to share our wins from this week.

43:54 Now is your time. Come up and join us. Thank you Chris for coming up and joining us this morning. And anyone else here listening live on Clubhouse, hit that raise hand button and we will have you come up and share any wins from your week, big or small. We don't judge the size, you're judging the size. So stop doing that and come up and whatever that win is this week, let's celebrate it. It deserves to be recognized. We deserve to stop and smell those roses. So what we're going to do is I'm going to actually ask our guests on stage to go 1st and then we'll go to our moderators from there. Sharon, good morning again.

44:37 Please share a win or two with us from your week this week. OK? I decided to publish to podcast this week. Pros and cons regarding posting podcast twice a week? However, I'm going to do it until I'm not doing it. And then to me, that's a wind. A wind. Awesome. Congratulations. So when you say 2 podcasts, do you specifically mean two podcast episodes or are they new podcasts? Yes, Mark, 2 episodes, 2 episodes. Very cool. And so is is that now from what I'm hearing you say that's something that you're going to continue to do moving forward perhaps. OK. Sure. OK, cool. Well, congratulations. That's not an easy thing to do.

45:18 If you're on a schedule of say, once a week, adding that extra one in there can feel like a lot sometimes. And congratulations for getting through that. Julie coming to you, please share any wins from your week. Well, I had a lot of different new conversations with new potential clients, so that would be my win for the week. Love it. Love it. Congratulations. I have a similar win I will share momentarily. Congratulations Julie and Chris, welcome to the stage and welcome back. I know you've been in and out lately and you know we all have life to do, so welcome back. Good to have you here and please share any wins from your week. Hey, thanks a lot.

46:01 It's great to be here. It's been increasingly difficult to listen in at work even. So glad I have a vacation day today. We're doing a staycation. We have a new grandbaby. So that's my win of the week. If you refresh your screen, you'll be able to see my new profile pic. So a little Christopher Bryan was born on Wednesday and we are so delighted to have him. So and yes, they named him after their his Papa so I'm so. Honored to have a new grandbaby with my name so. That's pretty awesome. That's it. Congratulations Chris. That is very cool. And the little cherry on top, getting the the grandchild named after you. Enjoy and congratulations to your whole family. OK, now we're going to go to our moderators and there's still time.

46:50 If you're listening live and want to come up and share, there is still time to do that. I will be turning off hand raising momentarily. I will go last with my sharing my wins. Dr. let's go to you first. Please share some wins with us. In this past couple weeks I've had two client. One client has gone down from 2 episodes a month down to 1 episode a month because she's just changing her direction. And of course that lowers my income from her. And I've had another client who has sundown her podcast. And I went into this. I wasn't depressed. I wasn't, Oh no, I wasn't any of that. I was like jumping for joy because it leaves me time to dig into all of these courses that I kind of have shiny penny syndrome.

47:44 I know that comes as a shock to a lot of you. And so I can dig into some of these courses. I've done that. I'm digging into the newsletter course and I'm doing my opt in for my newsletter and that's going really well. I'm also reconfiguring my entire website. So that's in the move and I'm really happy with that. That's my win. Congratulations and I'm going to go to Jonathan. It looks like Jonathan wants to chime in. Go ahead, Jonathan. With all this extra time, do you have a podcast? You could possibly. Put out possibly, Yeah. OK, just checking why I was jumping for joy too. Because I was, I was in Spain in November and I thought it was coming out in January.

48:31 But you. Know thank you Jonathan appreciate it especially because you're actually because I know you came a little bit late you're actually piling on she got a little medicine a little while ago so good. Good to have more people piling it on. Dr. was podcast will come out if if we can help it. It's coming out. It is. Yeah. All right. Ashley coming to you, Share some wins with us. Hey y'all, happy Friday. So my win for this week is that my significant other is off from work for the weekend and it's super duper rare that we're off at the same time and especially on a weekend. So my win is that I get to spend some time with him at home and work on creative projects.

49:16 I've got some songs that I want to finish writing and practice, some instruments I don't normally practice, and that's my win for the. Congratulations and enjoy your time with your significant other. That's awesome. Have a great weekend and Amanda coming to you. Please share some wins. So Facebook this week reminded me that one year ago today or this week, I posted that Chris and I were so excited that we had a total of 25,000 downloads. That was just a year ago and I sent it to Chris. I said, Chris, I can't believe we've increased so much because at this year we're almost at 100,000 more than that. Yeah. So it took so long to get like the 25 K mark, but then in a year's time to be able to get that many more audio downloads.

50:04 I just thought it was so remarkable that one day you celebrate like this milestone and the next you're celebrating like a completely other one that you would have never been able to like throw a dart at, in my opinion. I wouldn't have thought that. So just fun to kind of see how far we've come and how much fun it's been on this journey. So that's my win. Yeah. Congratulations and thank you for sharing it because I think it provides some hope for some people, right? That we're grinding it out all the time and like when are we going to hit these milestones that we're looking to hit? It's the age-old concept that we talk about often. Consistency, consistency, consistency.

50:44 And eventually it does pay off because we get more experience, we learn more, we improve more, we grow more, and our audience grows with us. And before you know it, yeah, you make that big jump from hitting that 25 K to another. What did you say? How many more have you had since then? Almost 100,000. Yeah, that pretty awesome, pretty awesome. Congratulations, Sid. Share some wins with us, please. OK, so I am recorded through August which just feels really good to have all the episodes recorded. The July episodes have been uploaded and today they will be marketed, meaning the e-mail will be created, blog will be created, all that kind of stuff and scheduled.

51:31 Because we are in the three-week countdown to our European vacation, I'm trying to make sure I get all that stuff ready to go. So because I'm not taking my laptop and and have it all set up so that it goes out automatically and it's a no work vacation for both of us. Amazing, yes, When I went to Europe, I did not bring my laptop either. It is freeing and it's only weird for like the first day or two and then I think you'll get used to it. Where are you going, Sid? We're in Europe. We're going to start 30th anniversary, so which is not technically until November, but we're celebrating in the summer because we want to go on a cruise. We're taking a cruise of the Mediterranean Sea starting in Barcelona, going to Rome, going to Capri to Nice, Montereyvo. I think it's how you say it.

52:17 I don't know eight different cities that we're going to. So super excited about that trip and just the two of us getting to hang out like empty nesters and like we were before the kids came along. So people keep asking us, are the kids going? I'm like, no, the kids aren't going. You kidding me? They got things to do. So somebody's got to take care of the dogs, so. Yeah. Well, countdown is on. Happy early anniversary. That sounds really exciting, Sid. Yeah, Congratulations. There was one other thing I wanted to say and I forgot. Darn it. Oh well. While you're thinking about it, can I do something real quick? Mark? Yes, please. A couple minutes, can I? So I just want to take a second. And she's being very humble about all this. But I just want to acknowledge Amanda because she has a lot more wins than what she's sharing. And if you're not following Amanda on social media, you need to, because what Amanda is doing? To.

53:13 Support her community to revitalize her community, to bring joy to her community, from farmers markets to egg drop balloons to a street party. It's very inspiring and very impressive how Amanda is pouring into pouring herself and her love into her little community. So Amanda, congratulations to you because you don't really share much of that here, but those are amazing wins. And I love watching the journey of what you're doing for your little town in Southwest Michigan or Southeast Michigan. You are so sweet, son. Makes me tear up. I love doing it so much and my community is so deserving. And you know, this is really behind it. This is my heart.

53:55 Like, we cannot control so much of what we're having to deal with in this world, but one thing we can do is write and joy. Find the joy. And if you can't find it, you better be writing it in and giving it to people. And so I feel like if we can just give joy and happiness and opportunity to those around us, the rest of the world will fall in place. So I believe in that mission so much and I see it unfolding in front of me and the butterfly effect that certain things have on other things and it's just so special. So I would encourage everyone to to just take, I know not everyone has the time that everyone has that heart and that is OK. But it is so special to see what 1 little drop of doing something can do for a community and beyond. So thank you, Sid, that is very special. Yeah.

54:48 Thank you, Sid, for bringing that up. And I certainly echo that point, Amanda. And I love what you just said. And and the way I interpreted what you said is, is providing joy in our own worlds will eventually spread to everyone else's worlds, right? We got to, let's focus on the world's that we can control and stop worrying so much about the stuff we can't. And I think that then leads to a lot more joy and happiness for us as individuals and for the communities around us. And I also am just inspired because we talk so much about these online community building and this, you know, digital communities. And there to me is nothing more powerful, nothing more meaningful than the in person stuff. It really adds the layer that's I think kind of missing from digital communities.

55:42 And not to say that there's anything wrong with that because we've built quite a special digital community here and think about those times that we all get to meet each other in person and how special those moments are. Thank you, Amanda, and say it again. Thank you for bringing that up. And let's go to Jonathan and then I'll wrap things up. Go ahead, Jonathan. Good morning. Good morning. And Amanda, just, you know, all those little things that you're doing change. The world for other people. And you know, just congratulations on that. It's a big, it's a big deal. And for my wins to this week, I'm going to go with the fact that I didn't think at the beginning of the week that I was going to make my July 7th launch date for my podcast. And I'm thinking I'm actually going to make my July 7th launch date, so I'm very happy about that. I got a bunch of episodes recorded and a few of them edited, so I've got stuff I can drop in and I've got some backups.

56:37 So I might actually make the July 7th launch date. And I want to be. ADR. Yeah, exactly. Otherwise, you're going to get the Dr. nickname Jonathan. I know, and that's a problem. We'll call. We'll start calling you JH. Yep, Yeah. Congratulations, Jonathan. That's awesome. And if there's anything I can do to help you get that, get to that date, let me know. I'm happy to try to help however I can. You've been such a great help with Empowered Podcasting Conference, doing that out of the kindness of your heart and out of the your belief in what we're doing. So thank you and I'm happy to return the favor however I can. And well, I'll start there then with the win this week. Today we're not actually today, but this weekend is the first anniversary.

57:27 It's been one year since the Empowered Podcasting Conference. So that's certainly something to acknowledge and celebrate for me. And Speaking of anniversaries at this weekend, the 29th is my 7th wedding anniversary to my lovely wife Amy. And since I happen to know this, I happen to know, although she's not here, it's the 29th coming up here. And that means it's Paula's birthday. So happy birthday to Paula, and then let's see another win. I graduated improv 1O2 this past week and I actually tonight have my showcase with my fellow students, my troop, whatever you want to call it.

58:09 We do another showcase tonight and then Monday, yeah, Monday I start one O 3. So I'm keeping it going with the improv stuff and really enjoying it. By the way. Lastly, my the other win I'll share from this past week is I landed another new podcast consulting slash coaching client, someone I knew not well, but somebody I knew from college. And I noticed earlier this week she was liking some of my content on TikTok. I think actually I was noticing it last week. So early this week, I reached out to her just to thank her like, hey, thanks for noticing my stuff. Thanks for acknowledging my stuff. I appreciate it.

58:52 And that was all I that was my only intention really of reaching out. And the next thing I knew, we had a call earlier this week and she hired me to help her start a podcast. And her story very briefly is that she is a 50 year old mom and wife, and she is also a caretaker. Her husband has a cancerous brain tumor that he's been fighting for several years now. He's not the same man that he was when she married him due to the brain tumor and some of the damage it's caused. And on top of that, she's raising 2 teenage boys with mental health challenges. And as she said to me, and I know she would say publicly because she told me she plans on it, it's kind of like she's raising three teenagers now.

59:45 And she is often called a superhero, a superwoman, and was telling me she does not feel like that, although she's doing a hell of a job, you know, behind the scenes. She doesn't feel like a superwoman. And she wants to create a space for people in similar similar position as her. Create community. Create a space where those people feel heard, feel seen and have some answers to some of their challenges. As a caretaker. So I'm really looking forward to roducing something a show like that with so much meaning behind it and certainly a win to celebrate this week.

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