334 - How To Handle Draining Podcast Tasks

0:05 Good morning Podcasting Morning Chat. Today is Tuesday, July 8th, 2025, and today we're talking about the podcasting tasks that sucks the energy out of you and how we deal with them without burning out or calling it quits. I didn't hit the post there. So if you're listening live on Clubhouse, hit the share button, bottom left hand side of the screen and share it. However, Clubhouse lets you. And if you're listening via podcast, please share this with a fellow podcaster. And now give us about 30 seconds and we'll get things rolling. Thanks for being here.

1:20 Good morning again podcasting, Morning chat. Thank you for being here. I am your host Mark Ronik and on stage with me at the moment we have my Co hosts Dr. Fay, producer Ashley Feller and Sid Meadows. I don't expect Nick to be here today. Nick is on the little mini vacation. He took a vacation for the holiday weekend here in the US and he's in Florida. I believe he's in Orlando with the family, so I hope he's having a blast. Can you all hear me OK 'cause I just got the red Bar of death. Everyone hear me OK? Hear you fine, yeah. Good. OK, awesome. Good start. And that voice, Dr. Fay Dr. If you don't mind coming off mic for a second, happy birthday to you. DRI Know we're a couple days late but it happened while we were off, so happy birthday to you. Thank you.

2:15 Thank you very much. I. Appreciate it. How did you celebrate? It was a very busy schedule. It was sleep, eat, change channels, sleep, eat, change channels, play with the cat, sleep, sleep, sleep. So very, very, very busy schedule. But I really managed to get through it all. I'm a better person for it. Good. I'm sure you needed that sleep because I know Dr. pretty well outside of here and I know she keeps some pretty weird hours sometimes. And sometimes those hours may include some doom scrolling I I imagine. And maybe that's what I did for my birthday. Maybe that's the birthday present I gave to myself. I love it.

2:59 Also, by the way, on stage we have Jonathan Howard now and Alex Baelish as well. Welcome. Good morning, fellas. Also another quick note, I want to remind you about the podcast awards and the podcasting morning chat being nominated for two of those awards. So if you go to podcastawards.com, you have to sign up. It's totally free to do and it only takes genuinely, it takes like a minute to fill out that form. It's not even a form really. But you sign up and then look for us under 2 categories, the Adam Curry People's Choice Award and the Education Award. And the key to remember, you're not going to find us alphabetically under P for podcasting.

3:41 You're going to find us under T for the podcasting morning chat. I wish they didn't do it that way, but that's how they did it. Maybe it was how I wrote the name, I don't know, but I really tried to just put in podcasting morning chat for that very reason. At least that's one of the reasons. So anyway, you got to find us under the TS for the podcasting morning chat. Again, podcast, a word. Pro tip. What's the pro? Tip pro tip is if you happen to be one of the people that have more than one e-mail address, I'll just put it out there. That could help as well. It could. It could mean another vote or two or three, depending on how many e-mail addresses as you have. Yes, because you can only vote once. And as a matter of fact, I think if you mess up and you choose the wrong show and submit it, I don't think you can go back and change it.

4:34 So be very careful when you're selecting. Let's dig in. And I think I want to start with this ice breaker, if you will, or at least this opening area. And it's not exactly the topic, but we felt it was quite on point. Dr. mentioned to me before the show got started this morning that she saw what what was in an e-mail from Canva. Dr. It was two hours ago. I'm on my, well, I'm on my feed this morning and I see that two hours ago there was something that was dropped that Canva had gone down and people are like shuffling. Oh my God, what do I do? What do I do? What do I do? So they sent an e-mail basically for you to fill out so you can prove to your client, listen, it's not me, It's it's this program that's down.

5:23 So they sent an e-mail with a little blank in it for, you know, your client's name. So it's pretty cool. Yeah, So then Dr. Had said to me, you were thinking that what are people doing when they lose a tool like Canva? Are they going crazy tearing their hair out? And that that makes sense. So I think that's a good place to start. What are? Some I was last night, I'll tell you I was last night when it went down. Oh, so you were part of the going down? How often, Jonathan, would you say that you're in Canva? 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Wow. And what are some of the things that you're doing?

6:05 Let's first start with podcast specific. What are some of the things you're using can't before? Podcast specific. I was actually creating my closing like credits and stuff for my podcast yesterday. So for the video podcast, do you actually roll run a scroll of of credits? Is that? Yeah, just information, you know, disclaimer and all that, just right at the end. OK, OK, cool. Yeah. So we were thinking about in Jonathan isn't the only podcaster. I think pretty much all of us have used Canva or use it somewhat regularly, at least the ones I'm looking at here do. And so we were thinking about those tools that we depend on and what would happen if one of them suddenly disappeared.

6:50 In other words, what are those tools that you really depend on these days to help you with creating content? And I'll go 1st and it may not surprise anybody, But Dr. Did you want to say something before I do? Oh no, go ahead, Go right ahead. OK, for me it's got to be AI and I know that like I said, that's probably not surprising a lot of people. But at this point, after a few years now, which is weird to say after a few years of ChatGPT, I'm using it regularly, you know, talk about like Jonathan said about Canva in at 24/7. I would say I'm I'm in that camp over here with AI and ChatGPT. And it's not just ChatGPT, but for the most part, if I had to pick one tool, that's the one that I would go crazy at this point if ChatGPT disappeared or went away because I'm using it for everything, even brainstorming content ideas. But more so for this show, I'm using it. Well, one thing I do every day with it, and this kind of takes us back to Canva in some ways, but in the sense of I'm using it every day now for episode art, which by the way, I all of a sudden have been getting a lot of compliments on the episode art.

8:10 I know Ashley is a fan of our episode art but I've been getting random emails DMS asking about how I create my artwork for our episodes and it's all in ChatGPT 4 O I've created a a GPT that knows the Pixar ish style that I go for with our episode art. So I that just helps me avoid giving some regular monotonous details that I wouldn't have to do, you know, daily manually right? So it just knows how I want it. I have a question. Sure. So I guess last month I was working on like a low cost offer of what I'm I'm doing an offer and I'm working on a low cost offer and I used Chat GPTI have what in mind? I have something in my mind, but I need to flesh it out. So I, so ChatGPT helped me out a little bit and it said at the end of the results, do you want me to send this to Canva with? Yeah.

9:18 And time went, time went, time went and I I actually typed in. Are you still working on this or? Did it show the little working the working sign? Oh, there's a working. Well, it you can kind of tell when it's thinking it it. It sometimes even says working. Yeah, it said. Give me a few minutes and blah blah. Blah, I've seen that. Yes, yeah. And so when I went back and I asked it, it said we're unable to connect with Canva now since I kind of had a few four letter words. And since that time, I have noticed that one of the new features is that it is connecting to Canva.

10:04 The only reason why I say that is because two of the Canva ambassadors that I follow, they're a married couple on YouTube. That's one of their big, that's one of their big videos in the past couple of days. Canva is connecting with ChatGPT, so I don't know if that's how new that is. You know they have ChatGPT now has a newer feature. I know they just announced it recently called Connectors and they're now allowing for more apps that you can actually just connect to your ChatGPT, whether it's your Gmail or maybe it's a Google Calendar, Outlook calendar or Outlook e-mail, even Microsoft Teams I believe.

10:49 But there is also one for Canva. So you have to go in and choose the connector option in the little blank field where you can type your prompts and and you there's an option to connect more. It gives you a list of the different types of web apps that are out there, including Canva, and you can tell it to connect to it. And then I think that will work. Then it will send it over to your Canva for you, which is really cool. Thank you. Yeah. That is cool. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So I but again, so going back to the tools that we depend on that if they went away, we wouldn't know what the hell to do Yeah, I think ChatGPT would be one of them.

11:34 And sure, I could go to another app and create imaging that way, but I've got it down to such a workflow now, such a process here on ChatGPT. It would be a bit of a grind having to start over. And that's not all I use it for, right. Ashley, are you using? Since you are the producer of the show, are you? Are there any tools that you're using now that if they went away it would drive you crazy and probably slow you down, if not bring you to a screeching halt? Oh, absolutely, And I'm with you on the ChatGPT thing. I could absolutely do everything that we used to do for podcasting without it, but it's become such a big part of the workflow that I would definitely miss it. I don't know if it would drive me crazy, but it would definitely slow me down for sure. Thank you, Ashley.

12:27 And by the way, for those of you listening live, share in the chat, share something that if you lost that tool, and it doesn't have to be software either, but if you lost that tool, what would you do? And would it drive you crazy? What's that tool that you depend on the most in your podcast? I went a little crazy last week. Oh, yeah, Yeah. So I've talked about this program before on this show. It's called resound dot FM. Yeah, I think you brought it up last week. As problematic as it is, I know it's quirks and I'm kind of put up with it, but it went down last week and I panicked. I went directly to Apsumo and bought another one and I realized once I bought it, I'm like, Oh my God, it's good. Take me a minute to learn how to use this one. Oh no, Oh no.

13:27 And and so I was emailing the creators of it because that's what I do when I buy something off of Appsumo, I get all the contact information from the creators and I was emailing them saying what's going on, what's happening? I realized by the time I learned how to use the new one, resound was back up. So I just I just returned the new one from Sumo so now I have some more credits to play. With now see, I actually here's what I was thinking is and you said the keywords not meaning what I mean by them, but back up. I think why not have a backup, right? Because you had you sensed that concern, you had that panic that Oh my God, resound might be down. What am I going to do?

14:12 Wouldn't it have been nice if you had kept that app and then learned it on the side a little bit so that if there is a day where you actually can't use Resound for a long period of time, you could easily just go to that backup it? Wasn't a good backup. Well, that's another story. It was a it was a state of panic backup that you know, and it's still in my head that I would have to like something for transcripts because I don't have Otter, I don't have all those transcript Y things. So I have cast magic and so I would. I'm basically looking for a good backup, one that I don't have to pay every single month for, but a good backup to like to get the transcript.

15:00 Yeah, absolutely. And it sounds like there you go already with transcripts. You have some ideas of where you could go as a backup. Yeah, I use Otter a lot. Otter has been a little flaky for us lately here on the podcasting morning chat. That's what we use to get transcriptions and thankfully, Ashley. Ashley, what do you use? Especially when something a tool like Otter is down. I use Descript. I think it makes a good backup because, yeah, I think all those transcription programs can be a little finicky from time to time, so it's nice to have another one. And I think Nick showed me this one time on Runway AI, they have a tool that's specifically just for transcribing.

15:44 I think that's all it does. Oh, OK, there you go. Thank you, Ashley. But paying monthly for a backup when you are only using it maybe a couple times, you know that's killing it. So smart thinking, right? And we want to try to find a backup that's also not going to break the bank that we can have standing by. That's something to think about too, for sure. Sid, good morning to you. What's a tool or a thing or something that you rely on heavily as far as your podcasting goes, that if it went away you wouldn't know what to do with yourself? Good morning, everybody. I probably have two answers to this question. The first answer would be my tool.

16:26 Her name is Kayla and if she went away I'd be scrambling because she's my podcast editor producer. She's been with me since episode 25 and just makes life easy and fun. She's great to work with even though we've actually never met in person and she only lives about 20 minutes for me, but that's beside the point. Can I stop you real quick, Sid? So you brought her on, you said as of episode 25. So I'm going to take a guess that there may have been some tasks or a task that was driving you crazy that you had to. You just said enough is enough. I need to hire somebody. I need to bring somebody in to help with this because I don't want to do it anymore.

17:07 Can you recall what that was or what those things were that? Moved. Yeah, super easy. Yeah. It's called editing. Called editing. I had to edit something out of a podcast and I tried Audacity and like my head's spinning. Then somebody said, oh, try Garage Band because you have a Mac and like that PTF is this, how does this work? So I'm like, yeah, I can't do this. I'm not going to do this. I don't have the bandwidth to do this. This is not my specialty, right? And I don't want to learn this. So I went to LinkedIn, which would be the other tool that I would say I might be lost with. And I just typed in podcast editor and LinkedIn and she came up, I reached out to her, we had a nice conversation and then I hired her. And yesterday we launched episode 116. So just be with me for 100 and something episode. Thank you, Sid, appreciate that.

18:05 And editing, I figured would be a common answer to those tedious tasks of podcasting. I assumed that and I have this. I don't even want to call it a love hate relationship with editing. I'd call it like a love like relationship with editing because I do enjoy it. The thing I don't like about it is really just how time consuming it is. But if if it weren't as time consuming, I would probably still be doing it regularly and for most of my clients, you know, now I have a team including Dr. of editors that are helping take care of that for our clients. But I love it and I some people feel like it drains them of their creativity, but I find that it, it makes me more creative because I'm using, I'm editing like it's a game I'm playing with it.

18:59 I'm trying to see how I can make it sound better, how I can make the conversation flow better, how I can make individuals sound like, you know, if they were stumbling over their words sound like they, they were smooth talking from the get go, right? Like to me, there's a creative element to editing that I really enjoy. It's just that it can be tedious even, you know, and with AI, you're not even really doing the editing at this point. A lot of it is happening for you. But I like that process. I find it a fun challenge and I do find it creative, oddly enough. Let's dig into that now.

19:42 I think we've shared the tools, unless anybody else has a tool. Let me go to Ashley cause Ashley's got her hand up. Go ahead, Ashley. Well it's fresh in my brain. I was just thinking. Going back to the transcription thing, this is free ish. If you use offonic you might know that they give you a certain amount of complimentary credits per month. Well, Offonic does do transcription, so if you ever get in a jam and you must have a transcription. You can put your audio into Orphonic and it'll either be very affordable or free, so there you go. Awesome. That's a great suggestion. Absolutely, and we love our Orphonic over here. We use it a lot.

20:25 Let's see here, Jonathan, did you have something 'cause I saw you had your hand up too? Yeah, I would say if Riverside ever went anywhere, I would be at square zero with my podcast. I wouldn't know where to even start. Yeah, I'm, you know what, I thought of that earlier this morning when I was prepping for the show today. Riverside would be a big one for me too, because I'm using it for so many different areas of the podcast, from recording to editing shorts and beyond. And I'm curious, Jonathan, how what areas of Riverside are you using? Pretty much all of them. Recording, editing, shorts, all of it. Are you using it for show notes too? Their show notes kind of suck, but I it is the kind of the basis of them.

21:12 Yeah, like we always say, right, use AI for show notes, but then go through it with a fine tooth comb and make sure it sounds like you, that it sounds like what you talked about on the show, because it's not perfect by any stretch. Yeah, and Riverside just doesn't. Yeah. As far as all the great tools they have, their show notes are fine, but I wouldn't say it's their best tool that they have to offer. Let's talk now about that stuff that drags us down, more of that stuff, even when the tools are in fact working. What's the areas? And Sid let us off really with editing being the one that got him to finally bite the bullet and contract that work out to somebody who likes to do it.

21:56 So, Dr. What about you? So 2 areas some people say they have a love hate relationship with this, you know, mine is strictly hate and that would be YouTube. I hate YouTube. And so I decided, oh God, it's just such a huge beast. My mind sponge is is pretty big. I mean, I've, you know, I go to a lot of classes and courses. Yes, we know. But having to learn YouTube was just, it was just beyond my it was my mind sponge was just saturated. And so I decided to outsource it and it was the greatest thing I've ever done.

22:42 It was so great. So tell us a little more about what that means for you outsourcing YouTube. What are you having this person do for you and your clients? Well, to begin with, I edit the long play video and I send it to her and she and I have already given her all the overlays and stuff like that, like the frames that are around the the, you know, so I've already given her that. So what she does is she takes those overlays or frames and she puts, you know, episode 229, the, the name of the episode in that overlay. She puts the long play in there.

23:24 She will take, she will also do about three shorts from the long play that I sent her, from the edited long play that I sent her. And she will also do something that I don't know what else to call. I call them Q&A's where my client will ask a question and no matter how long it takes for the guest to answer, that's going to be a horizontal clip. It could be 8 minutes, it could be 5 and 3 minutes, however long it takes to answer that question. And so these Q&A's she'll, she'll do three Q&A's, three shorts, she will do the YouTube notes, she will schedule YouTube, I mean, just everything. And she's a, she's a graphic designer. So I have sent her that that low cost offer that I talked about earlier.

24:20 I sent her what I'm trying to do. And also I'm doing a new launch which works into another something that I don't like. And I've sent her all the ideas for the templates that I want her to work on. And so she worked on those. So I'm just, I'm so I don't know why I didn't do it sooner. I'm so happy. And maybe that's an area to explore as well, right? Like, why is it that there are some areas that drive us nuts, yet we just continue to force ourselves to do them? Man so stress inducing. That's what YouTube was from me. So stress inducing. And that's just it too was something you said to start there is this, it's just such a big beast and it's its own beast.

25:08 And if you don't know what you're doing, it's it can feel very intimidating. Yeah, and I got such validation. What 3 or 4 days ago my client sent me an an e-mail saying, Oh my God, the these analytics for YouTube are off the chain. Thank you so much. And I'm like, Oh yes, it's so great. And she knows that I outsource this. She's she's a business coach, just like a, you know, 7 figure business coach. So she's all about sourcing. So she was the first person I went to and said I have a YouTube person now. So yeah. Yeah, I find that most of my clients have no problem with the fact that I have a team of people and pretty much everybody that works with me are contractors. So technically, yeah, I'm farming out that work too. And most of my clients, I think they kind of like it. I think they like the idea of having a team because I have, as Dr. knows I have my team working with them. You know that it's not just me that they're working with. If Dr. is editing one of our clients stuff and she's got a question, a suggestion, some feedback for the client, she has the ability to reach out to the client and chat with them through our internal system and and I think our clients like that.

26:30 Yeah. Now, Mark, I will tell you that I think that there are several different ways on how to outsource. You can give the person that you're outsourcing like 100% card blanche, go ahead and contact the client. Or you might be a little scared to do that. You know you, you trust me and knowing that I will not undercut you. I will not try and steal your clients or anything like that. But if you have trust issues, then you say, you know, you need to go through me for everything. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yes. And again, yes, I do fully trust you and I've had you connect with clients directly. And the way I have it set up, it's through a system. So in other words, Dr. isn't contacting my clients with their personal contact information.

27:23 She's not calling them, texting them, emailing them. She's using our system and so is our client. So our client Dr. will use the system, send a note, and then our clients will receive it via e-mail. And then they can just simply reply to that e-mail and it goes right into our system. Dr. gets notified, and we all get to see what the conversation is as well, in case somebody else needs to pick up where Dr. left off. So yeah, that's how we do it here. And Sid, I saw you wanted to say something along these lines, I think. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, I did. Thank you, Mark. Trust is a really important part of business, right. That's seen the people that you work with and your clients. It's a really important part of business.

28:04 But sorry to be the Debbie Downer here, but trust is not a business strategy. And if you're using a team of people to do things, they should have a contract with you. And that contract should include a non solicitation clause that says you're working with my clients, I'm introducing you, you're getting confidential information for a period of 24 months after you quit working for me. You're not allowed to contact this person or solicit this person for any type of work. And so you have to protect yourself and your clients from people poaching from you. And if you're not doing that and should be one of the first things you do when you build a team.

28:46 And honestly, I also don't know that it's important for the client to know that your team is a group of contractors, right? I've only had one employee in my tenure as a entrepreneur. All the rest of them have been contractors, but they all had appropriate e-mail addresses and business cards and things of that nature that made them look like they were an employee, but they were a contractor. So from a business perspective, it's really important to protect yourself and to protect your client, and relying solely on trust is not really a good strategy. Fair enough, Sid. Thank you for bringing that up. And I personally don't have a problem sharing that these team members are contracted.

29:31 And and because in, in my opinion, it really doesn't matter. It's just a legality. It's just the way that the, the person that I've quote UN quote hired is filing their taxes in the way that I'm filing mine, my business taxes. So I don't really, and, and I find that most of my clients don't seem, you know, to hesitate or have any issue with that. And the way I think if they ask, I'm certainly going to say, yeah, I contract them out. Sometimes I volunteer it, but I like to call people a part of Ironic Media as a team. So I'll say somebody on the team or a team member because again, the legality of or the technicality of what that contractor is to me and my business, it it's a moot point.

30:17 It doesn't matter. So Mark, can I ask a question? Yeah. And then we'll go to Alex. Was there a time when you actually did it all before you started outsourcing, or did you just start outsourcing right away? Oh, I did it all when I first started the first year, pretty much I did everything myself. I think I had one person who was the one of the producers of my old podcast. I had him on occasion helping me if I was in over my head. But it it was at least a year before I started really seriously considering bringing in team members. Yeah, three years for me and that's one of the reasons why my sleep schedule is was so weird and now it's kind of ingrained in me.

31:00 Yeah. Do you remember when you got your first outsourcing thing, outsourcing person that you that relief that you felt that weight that had been lifted? Yeah. And keep in mind, if you're currently listening and you don't have a podcasting business, I think that this still applies to you to think about. And Dr. Ask that question to me once more. OK. So from the time that from that first year when you were doing everything yourself to the time that you actually outsourced something, do you remember having that weight lifted off of you, having that responsibility lifted off of you, those extra hours that you now have? Yes, yes.

31:48 And I was very resistant initially and kept getting advice from people, business coaches and colleagues, everybody saying, yeah, you got to start delegating. And I didn't want to because I felt like I was selling a service that I was providing personally and was building a business, you know, over the course of a year at that time based on my skills. And so how could I, how could I sell the skills of others, right? So it was a bit of a struggle, but eventually I recognize, you know, this is how you build a business and you can't do it by yourself forever. So I bit the bullet and yeah, I think really within a few couple weeks, I really started noticing, wow, look at all this time I have now.

32:37 And then I was able to really focus on lots of different things, whether it was building my business, building a podcast, whatever. It gave me so much more freedom and flexibility to do more and and allow people who do this for a living to pick up that slack so that I don't have to. Yeah, You know what it did for me? I'm sorry, Alex. I'll get this in real fast. You know what it did for me is that it had my mindset completely flipped over. And when I said the words my team, all of a sudden I felt myself sit up just a little bit straighter, like I have a team. Oh, my God.

33:22 And now I have this launch that I'm doing for someone. And with all the shows that I've ever done, they've all been inherited. I've never had to launch them. So this was my first launch and I was panicking and I thought, you know what, I'm going to get one of my very best friends, Ashley Hyatt, and she's going to be my launch manager. And now whenever we meet, the three of us meet on Zoom. And I always, I tell her, I want you to sit first chair on this, and I will sit second chair. And she says, OK, so we have everything, you know, kind of designated of what we're going to do. It will be how how I go forward from now on whenever I have a launch.

34:06 I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. Good for you, Dr. for building a team. And yes, I also, I just had that feeling the other day last week. We all met, my team all met together. And I was reflecting afterwards and like you said, sitting up a little straighter, like, wow, this is cool. Like I've got a team that that's working with me to make things happen and it does feel good. There's something about that. And I think again, as an independent podcaster, if you're not doing a podcasting business for podcasters, but you do have a podcast, you can build your own team too. And it may not be as big, but you can still like Dr. has three people for her business, but you could probably end up with three people on your podcast team too. So it's important to think about what you can delegate. And before we go to Alex, I think Sid wanted to chime in a little more on this part of the conversation. Go ahead, Sid.

35:00 I just want to say that there is a sense of relief from doing mundane and uncomfortable tasks, things that just like drag you down, right, and make you, you look at the screen or whatever it is you're doing. I really don't want to do this. Hiring someone to do it for you. That's really the tip, right? If you're in the middle of doing something and you continue to get this feeling of I really don't want to do this, this is going to take me hours, You know, that is the sign to look at outsourcing that to someone else or hiring someone or adding someone to your team to actually do that work for you. For me, it was editing. For me, it was also banking.

35:43 So I hired a virtual assistant to take care of QuickBooks and everything inside of QuickBooks. All I have to do is sent her the bank statements and the Amex statements and she does it now for all three of my businesses. So you know, when you have that feeling of I just don't want to do this, it's time to explore outsourcing. Yep. Thank you, Sid. All right, let's go to Alex, who's been waiting patiently. Alex, good morning to you. What did you want to add to all this? I own my own business and I would kind of push back on what you said about the whole contractor thing. I have a lot of contractors that I work with and it's one team, so I don't like to tell people they're contractors just because we're all on the same team. It's one voice, it's one everything. It's just something that I made a choice to do, kind of like Sid did in terms of outsourcing with the what is from Cast. I'm actually stepping down because of that. Because of what?

36:42 Because of outsourcing, I couldn't make the show support affording outsourcing. So I know what it takes to make the thing work with all, you know, you talking about YouTube? I mean, YouTube itself is a full time job. All the other clips that have to be done and for a whole bunch of other reasons that I'm not going to get into right now, I'm stepping down and my podcast partner is going to take it over. And you know, we're in the process of doing that right now, but it's just too much work and for what I want to do. Juice isn't worth the. Squeeze I mean, and it's just like, you know, it's an 8 week or 10 week run. The next 10 week run is going to be next year. We have time to transfer everything and that's why we're doing it.

37:28 I'm want to do it now so that she has everything in place. But at the same time, I just think that having a team is a great thing. And if you can afford to pay for it, I know that the saying is you can't afford not to pay for it if it's something that you don't like or love to do, like editing or whatever else. But I just think that when it comes to business, I don't like using the term contractors to my clients, whatever it is, just because maybe I can see both sides of the coin in terms of, yes, it sounds like you're expanding, whatever, but I like to be the quarterback and I don't have all the answers. I never claimed to. I have the best people on my team that do have the answers.

38:08 So everything has to go through me in a certain sense. But at the same time, I also give them the autonomy to kind of do what you're doing, which is, I don't know about third party software, but where they can do their own thing and talk to the clients under the umbrella. So I guess it's, maybe it's semantics, but I just like having the one umbrella. And I've worked with a lot of companies because I've been a contractor. So it's kind of like I've seen both sides. So it's just for thought. Yep. Thank you, Alex. Appreciate that. I think Ashley also had something she wanted to chime in with. So again, I'll ask everybody the question here and or I'll give you the prompt here. Name the podcast task you'd never do again if someone else could take it. Ashley, what say you?

38:54 I would say the. Social media management marketing side of things. And it's a shame because I, I use, I mean, I still love it, but I am, I'm burned out on it because I've done so much social media management. Over the last five years. You know how when you have a mountain of laundry and it just never ends? That's kind of what social media management feels like right now. Yeah, I'm with you. Especially because it seems that most platforms, again, I'll use Alex's phrase, the juice ain't worth the squeeze, right? Like I feel like I'm putting out really quality content, informative, sometimes entertaining, and that I genuinely believe should get more eyeballs. And for whatever reason, it's not. And so you put in all that time, all that effort into the content and you put it out there.

39:49 It, it look, I'm not talking about vanity metrics in the sense that it has to have a certain amount of views for it to be successful. And, you know, if you put out something that took you some time that you're really proud of and it, you know, got 50 views, 100 views, I can understand why that might be disappointing. And it's also why I leave it up because I know eventually the people that need to see and hear it will but. You know, you, you put in all that work, you'd like more people that need to hear it and see it actually be able to see and hear it. What about show notes? Do people find the show notes a pain in the butt, especially these days now that we're using AI, or has that become a task now That's not a big deal because I know it used to be for a lot of people.

40:38 And to me, I would say it still is a pain in the butt because yes, I have AI usually create a first draft, but it's only a draft. I've got to still go in and spend the time to tweak it. And it can be tedious. And sometimes I will forget about it until last minute when I'm going to schedule an episode and realize, Oh yeah, that's right, I need show notes, or a title for that matter. And it's a pain in the butt. I agree. When I, you know, load Lipson up or whoever, whatever the distribution platform is, and I think, oh, shit, show notes. I don't have the show notes. Why?

41:18 Why don't I have show notes? So I have to do it at the last minute And that's the, the pain in the ass is doing it at the last minute. If I just go by my Ding Ding checklist, then it's not that it's not that bad because I, I do use AI for it. I ask AI for way more than I will be using and that forces me to go in and eliminate stuff that I don't want out of it and then shrink it down. It still is a pain in the ass, but it's it's not as big as YouTube was, right? You know, yeah, yeah. And what I love about some tools like Riverside, like we were talking about with Jonathan a little while ago, I love how it will automatically create those show notes for you.

42:06 So what used to be a tedious task, a last minute task, it's already there for you. At least it's gotten started. Yeah, so I use Riverside's. It gives you the keywords. And so I do use those keywords to put in ChatGPT or to put in magic. You know, I cast magic. I do use there are some little one liners, some, you know, I don't know what your what it's called in, but they give you like 5 or 6 clips that are that are pretty good, you know, audio, you know, and I do use those for ideas, just to brainstorm like a starting point for AI and because I just don't know which AI Riverside is actually using.

43:01 Do you know? Riverside specifically, No, I don't know which one. You know, if they're like using a chat something powered by ChatGPT. I'm not sure I'm. Not sure. Yeah, so that's one of the reasons why I'd rather use my own ChatGPT. Yeah, me too. I'm with you there. OK, here's how I want to wrap up. Let's flip it and I'm going to go down the line here. What's your favorite part of podcasting that you never want to give up? What's something about the process, your workflow? Any part from recording to finding guests to promotion?

43:42 What's something that you don't want to give up? Let's start with Dr. And I'm going to go down the line. Go ahead, Dr. Well, I got to say editing. I really like editing. For me, for me, it's exciting. OK, cool. So goes against the grain for most and I'm with you, DRI feel that, Ashley, go ahead. What's your favorite part of podcasting that you never want to give up? I think we're just a bunch of editing nerds. Mine's editing too. Wow. OK, well we know going to Sid. Are you people we know going to Sid and Alex that you guys are not going to give editing as the answer?

44:22 So Sid, I'm curious about you. What's your favorite part of podcasting? You never want to give up. I'm connecting with the guest. Yeah. I'm able to make real connections, lasting connections, where I can refer them, they can refer me. I mean, I intentionally work to build friendships with the people in my podcast community so that I don't want to ever give up the connecting with the guest. Awesome. Is there any guest in particular you can think of that you didn't know going in and now that you had that interview, you continue to keep up with, you continue to connect with that has become a friend?

45:06 Yeah, his name is Thomas Johnson. He's the president of a company called Scandinavian Spaces and reached out to him, said you guys are doing really cool stuff when you come on my show. And he did. And we just formed a friendship and we probably talk every, I don't know, four to six weeks about just life, business. And he's also a real estate investor. So we have that in common. And I consider Thomas a really good friend just because we've been able to connect. And it all started with him being a guest on my podcast. Very cool. It feels like that could be a good icebreaker or topic in the future. You know, talk, tell us about a guest that you have since become friends with, colleagues, with partners, with, whatever that looks like, but that you just expected to be a guest and then became a lot more after that. I feel like maybe we should do something like that at some point.

45:58 Well, actually, Mark, it can be a very deep conversation because if you are somebody that brings guest onto your show, what's the purpose that you're bringing them on, right? Like why are you bringing them on and what are you trying to do with that relation? Being that multiple of my podcast guests have become customers and I never pitched them right, but they've become customers through the process. But more for me, most importantly is the connection that I build with them and the relationship that I build with them because the world revolves around relationships. People find jobs because of relationships, right? You find your next career, you find your next customer. And so many positive benefits to certainly building an authentic relationship and a connection because remember, we're starved for connection and we want that more and more.

46:47 And so you're given a gift with a podcast guest because it's a bit more of a different type of entree into a relationship then meeting somebody at a networking event, so. I love that. Thank you, Sid. And that may be this coming Thursday's discussion. I don't have it planned yet and that feels right to me. So thank you, Sid. I may even hit you up and talk a little bit more about it with you to plan ahead of time. Appreciate that. All right, let's go to Alex. Alex, what's your favorite part of podcasting that you wouldn't want to give up? It's the recording. I do a lot of lives, but just recording and like said said in a way, you know, connecting with the guests or people on on the lives, it's just fun. You know, the post production stuff isn't as much fun for me and setting up the pre production stuff isn't always as fun, but once it's in place it's nice when it works. But yeah, podcasting, that's what it's about is about talking on the in front of the camera or in front of the mic. So.

47:50 Yep, that's my answer as well. It's the actual creating of the content. It's doing what we're doing right now. I, I love hitting that record button and I know to some people that would sound weird, but for me, I love hitting that record button. I love gathering with people, like minded people and having good quality entertaining conversations. That's what keeps me going. That's why I do it every day. And yes, OK, this summer, 4 out of seven days a week I'm doing it. But you catch my drift. Yeah, I I love that connection and I love creating content content. So there's my answer.

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