447. Joe Rogan Refused Validation and Proved a Point

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Today we are covering all the
news around the world of

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podcasting and I think we should
just dive right in.

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So the way we like to do it is
start with a little data for

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you.
Over the last week, 601,690

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podcasts published at least one
new episode.

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That's up 4.7% over the last 30
days, 2.3 million and Change

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published at least one new
episode, and that's up 7.1% from

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the last month.
And we've got Dr. here who's

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going to give us the top five on
Spotify and the top five on

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Apple.
So without further ado, Dr. the

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Floor is yours.
Good morning.

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OK, so at #5 this is Spotify at
#5 it's the Daily at #4 it's

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Crime Junkie at #3 Q the
Tippity.

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It's good.
Hang with Amy Poehler at #2.

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It's this past weekend with Theo
von and #1 is the Joe Rogan

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Experience.
All right, and that is why we

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do.
Get enough of them.

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That's why we do these top
fives, because the number ones

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seem to hold on to that spot.
So let's check in on Apple.

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That feels very much like the
chart that I read last

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Wednesday, to be honest.
It might be exactly the same.

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You might be right. #5 on Apple
is good hang with our girl Amy

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Poehler #4 is the Dan Bongino
show, he's back #3 is the Joe

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Rogan experience.
Number 2 is Crime Junkie and the

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number one spot.
No, that was.

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Perfect timing, perfect timing.
The daily is number one.

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It was perfect timing.
I think you don't think it was

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good timing because there's
probably like a moment delay,

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but it was actually perfectly
timed with the timpani there.

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Dr. So good, good on you.
Thank.

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You.
Let's talk about some events

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around the world of podcasting,
things that you may be

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interested in.
First, you made me remember this

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podcast.
Fon is scaling fast again this

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year and turning into a real
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Organizers say This annual
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more than 2000 participating
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create creators releasing
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On Week, which happens to be the
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spotlight causes and nonprofits
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The initiative has expanded into
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helping podcasters use their mic
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just entertainment.
If you want to learn more or get

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involved, head over to Podcast
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Now, as part of that worldwide
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video, the PMC has signed on to
do it again.

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Last year, we did it to remember
and help the area, Western North

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Carolina area after Hurricane
Lean drove through here and

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devastated a lot of the area.
And by the way, just a little

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heads up, everything's going
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area.
I was going to ask you.

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Yeah, sure, there's still
certain buildings, certain areas

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that still need a lot of work,
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attraction areas, the where a
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been vastly cleaned up and it we
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So if you've thought about
coming to Asheville and you're

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hesitating 'cause you're worried
about the devastation of that

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hurricane, don't.
We're back.

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So please come and hey, if you
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minutes outside of the city.
We'll put a link in the show

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notes.
You can come stay at our Airbnb.

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My wife and I have. 1.
There's a there's my promo for

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today.
You're still under snow though,

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right?
We do have a little bit, but

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it's already a lot of it's
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up pretty decently here.
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60° weather in the next few
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weather.
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And anyway, Dr. you have more to
share.

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So this is important.
Our Canadian podcasters, please

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listen up.
The CBC podcast just opened its

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doors for a new original series,
and this is a real opportunity.

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OK, so from February 2nd, which
was a couple days ago through

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April 1st, the CBC podcasts is
accepting pitches from ambitious

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new shows to run under some of
their biggest umbrella feeds

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like Uncover the Con, Split
Screen.

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And personally, now those are
the names of the shows.

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I'm not just spewing out words
randomly, but those are the

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names of the shows.
They're open to indie creators,

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production partners, in house
teams and Co productions with

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media companies.
They're looking for strong

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narrative ideas with clear story
arcs and real audience pool.

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Bottom line, this is a chance to
partner with a public

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broadcaster that reaches
millions of listeners and has a

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proven track record of impactful
audio storytelling at serious

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scale.
So we will provide a link in the

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show notes.
So basically this would be like

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belonging to a network.
So that is a very exciting kind

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of thing.
For Canadians.

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To.
Be specific.

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I was looking for Dave Campbell,
who often joins us in the

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audience.
He's not here yet, but we'll

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make sure he knows about it if
he doesn't already also.

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Simona.
Yeah.

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And Simona, thank you very much.
Yeah, but Simona hasn't been

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around.
That's why I didn't think about

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it and all.
You know, with all due respect,

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I haven't seen her in a while
here at the podcasting morning

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chat.
So I didn't think of her.

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My bad.
She's probably listening.

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And now the another thing that I
want to talk to you about is the

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podcasters directory.com.
I say this every week, at least

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I have for the past several
weeks.

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So Are you ready to boost your
networking game and meet like

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minded professionals in an
engaging virtual event designed

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for creators like you to
connect, collaborate and expand

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your professional network?
Now this has changed kind of

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morphist over the past couple
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They're not doing the topics,
you know, dedicated to that

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special day.
It's just anybody and everyone

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who's involved with podcasting
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podcasting.
So that means authors, speakers,

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podcasters, subject matter
experts.

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It's weekly on Thursdays, 1:00
PM Pacific Time, 4:00 PM Eastern

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Time, and if you use the letters
PMC, our initials PMC, you'll

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get in for free.
Very cool.

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Awesome.
Thank you, Dr. and let me see

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here, what do we have?
Oh, I know what we have next and

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I wasn't prepared for it, but.
Quick tip, smart move.

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Yeah, content creators business
fight.

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Take it away, Ralph.
That never gets old.

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Nope.
So quick heads up for creators

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this morning.
Especially if you use Patreon.

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If you're listening, if you use
Patreon, listen up.

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This is important.
So Apple has reimposed a billing

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rule that will affect how some
craters are getting paid.

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Let me talk about what's
happening.

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Apple is now requiring Patreon
creators who are still using the

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older billing setups.
If you're using the older

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billing setups, you got to
switch to the subscription based

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billing no later than November
1st, 2026 if you want your

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memberships to work normally
inside the iPhone and the iPad

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app.
Now you might be saying, Rob,

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why does this matter?
Here's why this matters.

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I'm a money guy.
Apple's in app purchase system

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takes a cut.
That cut is close to 30%.

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That's if they pay for the
subscription inside the iOS app.

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So where your fans subscribe
matters more than ever whether

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they do it inside the app versus
on the web.

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And if you do nothing, Patreon
says they're going to

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automatically convert your page
so it stays active in the App

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Store.
But what that means is that

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decision gets made for you.
Nothing's changing today.

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Don't panic.
This is an early warning you've

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got till November.
But if you sell memberships or

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subscriptions through Patreon
and your audience includes

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iPhone users, guess what most
people's audiences probably do?

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Now is the time to review your
billing model and plan

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intentionally before November
comes.

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These things happen.
Platforms change rules.

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Smart businesses don't ignore
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They prepare.
And that's your business bite

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for this morning, Mark.
Thank you, Ralph.

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Appreciate that.
I feel like we're really moving

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through all this very smoothly
this morning.

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Let's keep it going and share
some what we call news bites.

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And before we get to that, I
think Sid wants to chime in on

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something.
Go ahead, Sid.

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Good.
Morning, everybody.

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Hey Ralph, Do you know if that
additional fee effects other

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community platforms that are
using Apple Pay as an option?

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I would have to assume so
because this is a overall thing

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that Apple is doing.
They're trying to make sure that

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you're doing your subscriptions
through them so they can get

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their 30% cut.
Sid, in the note in the news

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item that I have, it was just
specifically speaking about

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Patreon, but I know in the Apple
ecosystem they want their cuts.

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So I would just have to assume
that that is the way all of

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these are going.
Now the way you get around that

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is if your people subscribe
through the web app instead of

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through the iOS app, they can
avoid that.

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So that's kind of the work
around Sid all.

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Right so let me ask you the
question.

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So follow up question.
So my community is housed on

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Kajabi and Kajabi has something
called Kajabi payments.

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And so I'm using Kajabi payments
over Stripe.

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And with using Kajabi payments,
you can enable or disable Google

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Pay and Apple Pay.
So by using Kajabi, and it's

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maybe, I mean I'm obviously
going to have to go to Kajabi

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and ask this question, but by
using Kajabi payments, am I

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still going to be charged the
30% by Apple?

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I would have to assume if you're
using Apple Pay then Apple Pay

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is going to want their platform
fees, but I don't know

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specifically what Kajabi.
I would reach out to Kajabi

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directly on that.
I think right now this is

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targeted specifically toward
Patreon, but if you think about

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it, if there are targeting
Patreon, other platforms are

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probably they're coming after
those other platforms next.

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So yeah, it's something to
certainly think about.

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And it's kind of a crappy move
by Apple.

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They're really making it
difficult.

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Nick wanted to chime in.
Go ahead, Nick.

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I might have missed this at the
top of the article that Ralph

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just you know the segment, but
is it specifically related to

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Apple Pay for Apple apps?
I think it's Apple the App

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Store, not Apple Pay.
Yes.

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Right.
It's the App Store.

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If you're getting your
subscription through the App

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Store to Patreon, that's exactly
what I'm talking about today.

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They are going to impose their
fee because apparently there's

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been an A sort of a grandfather
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subscribe through the app.
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right.
That's a lot of clearance.

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Thank you, Nick.
That's a great question.

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So in your example, Sid, like if
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downloading that app and that's
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that's where Apple's going to
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Yep.
Thank you, Nick.

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Appreciate that.
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things moving.
Thank you, Ralph, for that

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business bite.
We'll hear more from Ralph

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shortly.
Getting into the news, Bites

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Waves Audio just dropped a new
tool called Voice Regen, and

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it's built to solve one of the
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creators, lousy audio quality.
So think similarly for those of

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you who use Authonic or Adobe
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Similar to that, this AI powered
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audio or video and instantly get
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present presence boosted and all

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without expert editing skills or
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It even includes a built in
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delivery and retakes.
There's a free starter tier for

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quick fixes and short form, with
paid creator and Pro tiers for

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heavier use, making professional
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for podcasters, video creators,
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sound matters just as much as
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If not, in my opinion, more
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visuals.
Also in the news, Spotify says

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listeners are clearly into
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Since adding a messaging feature
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users have sent hundreds of
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they're streaming.
Now, they're leaning into that

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behavior with two new features.
One lets you opt in and show

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what you're listening to in real
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The other, called Request to
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or family.
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later this month.
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thing actually this past weekend
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retreat and we were making
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said, Mark, we need music and
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whatever reason, they go to me
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You can add podcasts, you can
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it with multiple people.
It's a cool little feature.

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Ralph, you want to take the next
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Absolutely.
Let's talk about Substack.

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Because Substack goes to the TV.
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just newsletters, think again.
Substack just launched ATV app

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for Apple TV and Google TV,
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now put video and live streams
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same place people binge Netflix
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Now he might be saying Ralph.
Why does this matter?

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Here's why it matters to
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Substack isn't building another
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creator channel model.
That's really what's talking

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about here.
One subscription, multiple

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formats, bright video live, and
even steadily adding more audio

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style features as well, like
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So it's easy to imagine it's
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ecosystem over time.
So the real headline is this.

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We may be moving from subscribe
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creator, and if that becomes
normal, it changes everything.

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It's going to change how people
discover you, how you monetize,

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and even what a podcast means.
So here's my question for the

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room.
Are we heading towards channels

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replacing individual shows where
your subscriptions followed the

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creator, not the podcast feed?
I thought it was really amazing

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information.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Thank you, Ralph.
And by the way, good morning to

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Austin Sambaza and Jeff, who've
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Nick, go ahead.
Did you want to respond to

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Ralph's story?
Yeah, I wanted to answer your

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question, Ralph, with a question
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And I love the idea.
I know we've talked a lot on

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this podcast about like the all
in one platform, the all in one

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place where you just manage one
thing, then everything can get

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taken care of from that one
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But as creators, are we setting
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something happen, some stack
determines that we violate their

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terms of service?
Like a kind of a Facebook

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situation here where all of your
content is housed in this one

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area.
And in the snap of my finger,

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it's literally all gone.
I absolutely agree.

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It's a catch 22 because you want
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I get it.
But you're right.

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If you're putting all your eggs
in that basket, then if

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something happens to that base,
I'll give you a perfect example.

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Like for me, I'm on YouTube and
Rumble.

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That way, if YouTube decides,
hey, we don't like YouTube

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anymore or we don't like Ralph
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Rumble.
I like the idea of building my

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own channel, but you're putting
all your eggs in one basket when

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you do that.
O my caution is go down that

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road with sub stack.
I think that's great, but I also

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think having yourself in
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The other thing is put stuff on
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Point people to your domain and
it's funny, I've talked to Dave

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Jackson at Pod Page about this.
It would be cool if we could get

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Pod Page to support video and
things like that where you could

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host the video right on your own
website so that rather than

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going to YouTube or Rumble or
sub stack people go to your

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branded site.
I'm with you there.

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I think it's, I don't want to
say silly.

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I can't think of a better word,
but all right, it's silly to

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just depend on these third party
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But at the same time, it's also
silly to ignore them all

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together.
So I think it's really about

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finding the balance.
Sure, take advantage of sub

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stack, especially if it's
working well for you.

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At the same time, you want to
make sure you're capturing these

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e-mail addresses from these.
People who are subscribing so

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that, yeah, if for some reason
Substack goes away, or if you

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remember the episode we had a
couple months back with Lucy

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Werner, she accidentally deleted
her whole account that was

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making her lots of money.
I don't know, I can't remember

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the exact figure, but she was
making a steady income using

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Substack, but she accidentally
deleted the whole thing when she

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thought she was only deleting
the podcast section.

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So yeah, anything could happen
and you want to make sure you're

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prepared and can still find ways
to communicate with your

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different audiences on these
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That's the catch 22 because you
want to be on these platforms

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for discovery.
You want to be on the Tik Toks

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and the different platforms, but
then you got to play in their

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world and you got to follow
their rules when you play in

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their world.
So it's a catch 22.

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I get it.
But I like what you said, But I

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I think it all comes down to
building your brand, building

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the recognition and bringing
people to you, getting their

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e-mail address and building your
people around.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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And we also have BC who wants to
chime in.

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Go for it BC Good morning.
Good morning.

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As a subset user, it's one of
those dichotomies that I got to

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wrestle with because I love the
interface so far.

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It's a great way to kind of push
your thought leadership and help

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you establish your authority.
Plus, it's the only podcasting

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host I don't pay for, which is,
which is also great.

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But at the same time, it's for
things like this, which makes me

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happy that I preemptively chose
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from the same place I produce.
So I record all my stuff, most

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of it through Riverside, but it
gets pushed out through

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Substack, YouTube, Spotify,
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And it's for things like this
where I'm like, that's a really

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good choice I made early on.
Because if I didn't, and to

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Ralph's point, if it was all
housed in one spot and suddenly

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no one likes BC Babbles anymore,
I'm kind of screwed.

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Who could stop loving BC
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Come on.
With this mug, right?

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Yeah, I know.
Thank you BC All right, let's

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keep it moving.
I skipped a story Dr. because I

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knew you must have been making
some eggs at the time.

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So well, now you're here.
But earlier I skipped a story

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story #4 If you wanted to take
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OK, sure.
So New York cracks down on fake

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voices in podcasts.
OK, here's the story.

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New York lawmakers have
introduced a bill that would

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require podcasts to clearly
label AI generated content.

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The proposal targets shows that
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create voices, hosts or scripted
audio, aiming to increase

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transparency for listeners.
Now, if it's passed, New York

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would become one of the first
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specifically for podcasting and
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The bill reflects growing
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audience trust and the blurred
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created voices in digital audio.
So just to translate everything

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for the creators, the government
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the robot is talking.
Yeah, good way to sum that up.

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I do not like this.
First of all, I'm more of a

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libertarian.
I'm not going to go political,

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but I believe we should not be
mandated by the government what

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we can say and what we can do.
Here's my concern.

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My production team uses
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One of the things that you can
do in descript is regeneration

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of individual words.
So if I'm recording a show and I

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blurb a word, I would much
rather let the AI voice Ralph

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fix that so the audience can
understand.

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What Ralph is trying to say.
And so I'm sorry, DRI didn't

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mean to interrupt you.
What?

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Did you?
No, I'm sorry, I was saying I

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didn't even think about that
because on the surface I thought

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this sounded like a good idea.
But now after listening to you,

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I did not even think about the
little clone voice thing that

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you can do.
We've Mark and I have used that

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for a client and it been better
in.

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Fact, I think I shared once on
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podcast Dementia Discussions.
Yet she we needed a quick little

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intro or at least one line for
her intro and we had AI

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replicate her voice.
But even more So what Ralph is

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saying, because Riverside does
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You can go in and literally
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You know, if they said one word,
they meant to say another.

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You can go in and edit the
transcript, change the word and

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it will replace it audibly with
that same voice.

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They're recreating the voice to
fix that word.

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And yeah, maybe they're, who
knows, Ralph, maybe there will

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be exceptions.
Hopefully that will be something

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pointed out that maybe there's
some leeway, who knows, But.

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That's the problem you just
said.

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What I was going to say, Nick,
there's a lot of Gray area there

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for sure.
Yes, go ahead.

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Yeah.
Do do we get into AI police at

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that point?
You know, who's the AI

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policeman?
What's a percentage that's

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allowable?
I'm sorry, but I think that

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violates free speech.
I don't disagree that there's a

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lot of AI slop going out there,
but the truth is I don't know my

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my younger children, I've won.
It's 24 and 28.

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They hear something or see
something to AI and their AI

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radar goes off right away.
They know right away this is AI.

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People aren't stupid.
Ralph, that's not the problem.

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Your son and daughter that are
older aren't the problem.

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It's the YouTube Kids that's the
problem and it's the younger

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stuff where these kids aren't
savvy enough because they don't

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know any better.
We're getting into a world now

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where AI is the rule rather than
the exception because they

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didn't have that previous non AI
experience.

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I'm with you.
I don't know where the line is.

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I think that the problem is Gray
is like the size of the whole

455
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,960
entire country right now with
the way it's going.

456
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,440
There is going to be lots of AI
talk today, lots of different

457
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,280
ways that it's affecting
podcasting.

458
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,080
So more to come on that BC did
you want to add something?

459
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,120
Yeah, this might might be a dumb
question honestly, but if this

460
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,080
is just one state, I'm curious
about how they plan to implement

461
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,040
this.
Like if it's, but we're talking

462
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,320
about podcasting, which is a,
which is technically and

463
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,520
immediately a national,
international medium.

464
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,800
How does this actually function
when it's just one state in one

465
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,800
country that's implementing this
kind of law?

466
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,400
Yeah, that's a good question.
And yeah, is it only applied to

467
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,920
New Yorkers and that right, like
if, but what if I'm making

468
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,280
content here in North Carolina
and it's being distributed to

469
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,840
New York?
Am I in trouble with New York

470
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,000
now?
Like, there is definitely a lot

471
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,760
of Gray area here.
This is kind of like something

472
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,120
like with adult sites now, adult
sites, if you are putting your

473
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,800
adult sites on iPhone apps or on
computer screens, you've got to

474
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,880
set up some kind of
infrastructure that understands

475
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000
what the IP address is for the
locality where you're putting

476
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,480
your stuff.
And that's my concern is all of

477
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,600
a sudden, am I going to have to
have a podcast host that says,

478
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,760
OK, B CS in New York, if B CS
listening to this bang, he's got

479
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,280
to get a A disclosure on his
screen that says some of this is

480
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,840
AI related content.
That's the concern that I have

481
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,280
as well.
I think over time there's going

482
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,720
to be a, a much broader attempt
to regulate some of this AI,

483
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240
whether it's worldwide,
nationwide, etcetera.

484
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,800
So I think this is kind of a
natural progression, you know, a

485
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,400
state or two or three adopt
something and then other states

486
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000
start to follow suit.
And then that's where the

487
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,320
national government starts to
pay attention and that's how it

488
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,800
spreads.
We talked about just about a

489
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,640
year and a half ago or a year
ago, I don't even know.

490
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,520
It's been so long with the
timelines about the Actors

491
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,160
Guild, so it's not surprising
that New York or Chicago or LA

492
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,240
is going to start this.
It is a real problem of taking

493
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,560
people's voices, and I don't
know what the answer is to what

494
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,400
you're saying, Ralph, but it's
the wild, Wild West.

495
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,080
There's just too much.
I don't even know how to put it,

496
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,320
so I'll just leave it at that.
Yeah, it is okay.

497
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:30,440
We're good with this, I think.
So with that then, BC the mic is

498
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,920
still yours, you've got some
entertainment news to share with

499
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,120
us.
It's no secret, you know, Dr.

500
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,080
gets to talk about Joe Rogan at
least once a week.

501
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,960
So we know for a fact he's been
he's been number one in the

502
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,720
podcasting game for quite some
time.

503
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,200
But he caused some waves
recently when he wasn't

504
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,760
nominated for the Golden Globes,
which just released a best

505
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,000
podcast award for this year, I
believe.

506
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,800
And it turns out he didn't get
nominated because he did not

507
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,360
want to pay the $500 entry fee
that the organization requires

508
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,440
for a nomination to happen.
And it's for an understandable

509
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,960
reason.
He's been in the game for a long

510
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,200
time.
He was a Fear Factor host and he

511
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,640
was a comedian.
And now he's been running the

512
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,160
number one podcast for a long
time and not finding the direct

513
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,320
quote, but essentially his prime
reason is like, look, I've been

514
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,120
doing this for a long time and
now you suddenly want to hold

515
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,040
this kind of popularity contest
and then decide if I'm number

516
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,560
one kind of screw that, you
know, I know I'm number one.

517
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,720
I'm not going to pay 500 bucks
to give you the chance to, for

518
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,160
whatever reasons, say that I'm
not.

519
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,720
And he did acknowledge that Amy
Poehler did win the prize for

520
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,640
this year with the good hang.
I've seen the show, good hang I

521
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,960
and I do enjoy it.
He mentions he hasn't seen the

522
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,840
show, but he was he's sure that
if she won, it must be a pretty

523
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,560
solid show, despite it being out
for only six months.

524
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,520
And I feel kind of forced for
Rogan here.

525
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,960
You know, it's, it's like,
again, he's been put in the

526
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,760
work, he's got the seniority
here.

527
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,840
So I understand to that degree,
you know, why he wouldn't want

528
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,120
to have to drop that kind of at
the same time, you know, a lot

529
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,600
of these organizations are
nonprofits.

530
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,880
So it's understandable why, if
we're in the future, if he were

531
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,720
to want to go the route of
getting that kind of

532
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,640
acknowledgement, should he
change his mind in this

533
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400
particular aspect, That would
have to be something he'd be

534
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,520
willing to pay.
OK, wait.

535
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Let's all take a minute of
silence to feel bad for Joe

536
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Rogan $500 to do this.
Which really would be a drop in

537
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,320
the bucket knowing what he makes
with Spotify deal.

538
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,040
And right, I do think it's
important to call out the fact

539
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,240
that look, all of the Hollywood
awards you have to pay for and

540
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,840
for most prestigious podcasting
words you have to pay for.

541
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,560
And this was not an exception
for just just for podcasting at

542
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,960
the Golden Globes.
Every category, if you wanted to

543
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,560
be nominated, you had to pay a
fee for your application.

544
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,840
That's just part of this game.
We just need that clarity there

545
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,080
because I don't want some
listeners to think, oh, that's

546
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,320
weird.
Why are they charging podcasts

547
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,600
to be nominated for the Globes?
They aren't.

548
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,360
They're charging.
Everybody.

549
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,120
I know Dr. is going to start a
GoFundMe for next year before

550
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Joe Rogan and his and his little
podcast need the $500 like throw

551
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,160
up Joe Rogan, I'm sorry.
He does make a point.

552
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,440
Mark.
It does, no point.

553
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Here's the point.
He is number 1.

554
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,800
He is, but well, why does he
need to pay to be told he's #1?

555
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,760
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no,
no no no.

556
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,240
He is a podcaster just like
everybody else.

557
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Grow up, pay the damn money, and
be done with it.

558
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,320
This is the most ridiculously
moronic.

559
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,120
So passionate.
Because you know why?

560
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,920
You know why?
Just because he's #1 doesn't

561
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,480
make him the best.
Because he's number 1.

562
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,400
He shouldn't be given the award.
So stop being a little bitch and

563
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,880
pay the money.
This is ridiculous.

564
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,320
Hey ladies and gentlemen, it's
spicy week here on the

565
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Podcasting Monday chat.
Sorry he's got more money.

566
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,880
His sponsor could have paid for
it.

567
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480
For gosh sake, just do it, I'll
say.

568
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,800
I'll say this and then I'll go
to Jonathan.

569
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Joe Rogan already is the winner.
He got $100 million contract.

570
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,160
He's always number one on
Spotify.

571
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,640
In my opinion, he is the winner.
And that $500 could have been

572
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,000
tax deductible, damn it.
As the business guy on the show,

573
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,040
this was probably either the
best marketing decision or the

574
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,080
worst.
It could have been the best

575
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040
marketing decision because now
he gets more publicity because

576
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,440
he can go out there and say
this.

577
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,320
Either way, he wins because he
got publicity because he didn't

578
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,200
go in it and he saved $500 as
the business.

579
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,760
Guy.
Saved $500.

580
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,800
That's a good idea.
It was a publicity stunt.

581
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,040
It was totally a publicity
stunt.

582
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Alex.
Then he won.

583
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,080
It wasn't a publicity stunt and
he did win, but that's not the

584
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,960
point.
The point is he wants to be

585
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,280
ultra opposite of the Golden
Globes and that's what this was

586
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,880
about.
This had nothing to do with the

587
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,160
award.
Exactly.

588
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,200
A publicity stunt.
You hit the nail on the head.

589
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Tim in the chat says I want what
Alex is drinking and let's go to

590
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,120
Jonathan so Jonathan can chime
in here.

591
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,400
I know he's been waiting
patiently.

592
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Go ahead, Jonathan.
I'm just going to say that it

593
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,120
was a genius move on his part
and very smart marketing.

594
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:35,080
And you know what he is #1 his
podcast is always #1 so he can

595
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,800
say he's #1 there's nothing
wrong with that.

596
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,840
I don't know, Alex.
I think you're off a little bit

597
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320
on this one.
All I was saying is that

598
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,280
everybody knows he's number one,
but why should we waive the

599
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,320
rules for him?
Well, I don't think he wants the

600
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,800
rules wave for him.
I think he was just saying I'm

601
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,720
not going to pay the 500 bucks,
so I'm not going to win the

602
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,360
award.
I think it's more than that.

603
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,640
I think it's a publicity thing
because this all could have been

604
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280
handled under the table very
quietly.

605
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,680
No write up, no admission as to
why.

606
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,760
But yeah, I think Ralph is right
one, because I think it was a

607
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,320
publicity stunt and look how
long we've talked about it just

608
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,320
today and look how worked up,
yeah.

609
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,560
That part is, I'm really not.
It's just, it's just funny about

610
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,560
no, no, no, it's not that at
all.

611
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440
It's a genius move.
I never said it wasn't a genius

612
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,679
move.
It's just that guys like, just

613
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,320
play for what it is.
Oh please.

614
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Anybody else feel like we need
one of those bells like when

615
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,000
you're at the boxing match
timing?

616
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Yes, right.
A good call.

617
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,960
That's a good call, yeah.
Palate cleanser This has been

618
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,719
really Alex, so passionate.
Passionate.

619
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,120
I'm going to give BC the final
word and then we're moving on.

620
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120
And two things real quick with
this one, and to Alex's point,

621
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,639
you know, if you look at other
award ceremonies, look at like,

622
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,400
you know, Lady Gaga had 7
nominations for the Grammys.

623
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,720
Imagine how much that cost.
But the other thing is, and I

624
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,680
want to say this for a
podcasters out there, we've

625
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,040
talked about before, when you
enter podcasting trying to

626
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,880
emulate certain huge platforms
like Joe Rogan's, keep in mind

627
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,960
Joe Rogan is an anomaly among
podcasters.

628
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,040
He didn't start off podcasting
like I mentioned before, he was

629
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,360
fear factor.
He was a comedian.

630
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,160
He already.
Had a whole.

631
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,000
Fandom waiting to follow him
into the podcasting space.

632
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,960
So don't take any of these
antics quote UN quote as

633
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,720
something to measure yourself as
it doesn't help anyone to try to

634
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,680
compare yourself to the
anomalies of of the industry.

635
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,680
So just keep that in mind going
forward.

636
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,280
Let's get into some other
headlines now.

637
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,000
Sometimes we don't do this
right.

638
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,240
In other words, news bites, We
sometimes have their thinking

639
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,760
they're going to be relatively
quick conversations.

640
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,360
That's why we call them news
bites.

641
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
But sometimes we get a story
like the last one we had,

642
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,920
although I guess that one's
technically entertainment news,

643
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,240
right?
BC so that might stir up some

644
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,000
more conversation.
This part of the story or this

645
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,600
part of the show is, are the
headlines.

646
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,960
And this is where we think maybe
there'll be a little more

647
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,640
discussion.
Just a guess.

648
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,760
And with this next story, South
by Southwest invites podcasting

649
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
in.
Welcome to the Now you have to

650
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,440
listen to my Affliction here on
my voice.

651
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Welcome to the big stage.
Podcasting is stepping onto

652
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,360
South by Southwest's Mainstage,
with Podcast Movement Evolutions

653
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,160
officially embedded in the March
13th through 15th festival in

654
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Austin.
And I will call out the fact

655
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,960
that this isn't necessarily
breaking news.

656
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,400
This has been out for a little
bit, but we haven't really

657
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,320
talked about it and quite
frankly, I haven't seen a lot

658
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,120
being talked about as far as
this story goes.

659
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,200
The shift gives podcast
creators, platforms, advertisers

660
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,720
and media executives A dedicated
space to debate things like

661
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,880
measurement, ROI, accountability
as budgets tighten, etcetera.

662
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,320
Organizers aim to move
podcasting into core media

663
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,800
strategy conversations alongside
film, TV, music, spotlighting

664
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,280
its growing influence in
advertising and broader media

665
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,600
ecosystems.
Now, the sponsors that we'll see

666
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,440
there, they have major industry
players like Acast, Amazon

667
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Music, NPR, and ESPN.
Podcasting's presence at South

668
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,360
by Southwest aims to shift the
medium from emerging to

669
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:34,560
strategic media channel status.
But all of this to be said, I'm

670
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,240
curious what you guys think.
Does this make you more excited

671
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,040
about an event like podcast
Movement Evolutions, which used

672
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,200
to stand on its own, used to
pick a different city every year

673
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,000
at around that same time?
Or do you feel like it waters

674
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,080
down the podcaster community
feel?

675
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,360
Is this a good move for a
podcast movement?

676
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,040
I'm curious what you guys think.
I'll share my thought.

677
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,600
I kind of think it's it's a
little lame, sure, and some

678
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,680
bigger players might get more
exposure to podcasting, but I

679
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:16,000
feel like it gets lost among a
huge event with lots of

680
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,240
different industries there.
Quite frankly, I'd rather see

681
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,960
them not do it at all in my
personal opinion, then do it at

682
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,240
South by Southwest.
Maybe I'm just being a little

683
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,280
narrow minded here and I'm open
to being to changing that mind.

684
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,880
Jonathan, you wanted to share
something?

685
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,280
I think it just leans way more
corporate than it ever was.

686
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,920
You know, that's the direction
they're going in.

687
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,920
That's the direction they're
going in.

688
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,320
But I I don't think it does much
for independent podcasters.

689
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,680
And that's really, I think thank
you for clarifying that.

690
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,800
I think that's really where I'm
going with it.

691
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,680
As far as independent podcasting
goes, I think it doesn't do us

692
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,840
any favors at all.
Like you said, I think it just

693
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,480
makes it more corporate.
At least their particular event

694
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,400
makes it more corporate.
And I think podcast movements

695
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,280
kind of been known for that
anyway.

696
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:08,400
But look, I think what makes
this industry a success is the

697
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,000
community side of it.
I think that the this is a rare

698
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,920
industry.
I've never seen another industry

699
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,720
be so helpful to one another
than I have experienced with the

700
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,480
podcast industry.
And I think if we pull that

701
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,000
community feel out of it, it's
just not going to feel right for

702
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,440
us indie podcasters.
Mark, with the Netflix's getting

703
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,680
into the game and now with the
Golden Globes and all this other

704
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,640
stuff where it's becoming a
little bit, and not that it

705
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,200
wasn't mainstream, but more
publicized the way it's been.

706
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Isn't that a natural progression
in a sense that there's going to

707
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,480
be that marriage between movie
TV and this is just like another

708
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,920
leg?
Not right or wrong.

709
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,680
We know Joe's not going, but.
I'll let Ralph respond.

710
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,360
Go ahead, Ralph.
Yeah, Mark, I just want to be

711
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,360
practical here for a second
because you know what it costs

712
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,360
to put on a conference.
And that's part of the

713
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,800
discussion here too, is that I
totally agree with you, Mark.

714
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,160
The idea having more independent
podcasters that keep, to be

715
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,200
blunt, that people can afford to
attend the event, but at the

716
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,600
same time the cost of putting on
the events are not cheap.

717
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,360
So I think that there is
definitely a feeling of how do

718
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,600
we make this thing fit into
another container so that we can

719
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,720
split the cost.
We can share some of that.

720
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,560
And Mark, I don't know if you
want to talk about that, but

721
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,520
that's the cool thing about
Empowered Podcasting is the

722
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,200
idea.
And honestly, I've said it on

723
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,040
the show before, it was my first
and only podcast event I've ever

724
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,400
been to.
And I thought that was super

725
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,480
cool because it was very, it was
very personal.

726
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,920
It was very community based.
But the stress of doing that

727
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,880
without pushing the ticket price
up to something that makes it

728
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,440
almost impossible for the
independent podcaster to pay

729
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,760
for, that's the hard part.
That's the bouncing part.

730
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,440
It's real easy for us to say,
wow, you know, they could cut

731
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,280
the ticket prices.
They could, they could do things

732
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,920
like a small community.
But Mark can speak to what it

733
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,440
actually costs to put on an
event like.

734
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,960
This unfortunately, yes, I can
speak to that.

735
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,600
It does cost a lot.
But also, Mark, I think when I

736
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,840
bought my podcast movement
tickets and I got one level up

737
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,280
from the basic, it was well over
$1000.

738
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,400
It was already corporate,
honestly, because not many

739
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,600
people afford that.
But yeah.

740
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,600
Yeah, that's a great point too.
I was, I was watching Ralph

741
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,600
drinking his coffee.
I was waiting for him to spit it

742
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,760
out when you said it cost over
$1000.

743
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,600
No, I looked at what pod fest
cost like I was going to go and

744
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,560
I look at the price of the
tickets and I'm not a miser, but

745
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,760
I'm like, that's a lot of money.
And you know, how much do I get

746
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,040
out of that based on the money?
I'm the money guy.

747
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,840
So I'm always looking at cost
benefit, but also understand the

748
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,400
cost to the event.
You know, the cost of serving

749
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,760
coffee, the cost of opening the
rooms, the cost of doing all

750
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,080
those things is a big number.
So you're going to have a lot of

751
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,640
this corporation of this because
they're going to have to bring

752
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,440
in more sponsors.
They're going to have to bring

753
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,680
in big names to get people to be
involved in that.

754
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,200
And when you do that, those
things, it costs money because

755
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,000
if you want to have an A line
presenter, they're going to want

756
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
you to comp their room, they're
going to want you to pay for

757
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,680
their travel there.
All these things cost money.

758
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,560
So we just have to be aware.
Of that, Dick said that the

759
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,760
Sundance Film Festival, it was
the same thing.

760
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,520
It's for Indies, indie movies.
So that's maybe where we're

761
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,760
trying to head, where they're
going to have to have something

762
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,440
like a Sundance Film Festival.
Yeah, good point, Good point.

763
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:34,480
I'm going to put the story, the
next story with UDR. I'm going

764
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,240
to put that on the shelf for a
second because I want to get to

765
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,360
Nick with some AI news.
And I know that sometimes this

766
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,120
is around the time Nick has to
jet.

767
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,400
So I just want to make sure Nick
gets his time in and tell us a

768
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,520
little bit about an AI tool
that's making lots of news, not

769
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,880
just podcasting news.
Nick, take it away.

770
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,880
There's a new tool floating out
there and it's going by several

771
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,080
different names, but it started
as a tool called clawed bot.

772
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,160
Then they had to make some
strategic shifts because they

773
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,880
are not affiliated with clawed
AI that you know, so they made a

774
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,560
change to multi bot.
So you might see names of that.

775
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,160
And more recently they made
another shift to a name called

776
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Open Claw.
Now, what this is, is

777
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,720
essentially putting the AI brain
inside of a tool that can serve

778
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:35,160
as a legitimate assistant.
Now, I'm going to preface all of

779
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,280
this by saying this is a very
early tool.

780
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:44,240
There are a lot of concerns, a
lot of security issues involved

781
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,360
with what this tool is and can
do.

782
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400
But the reason I wanted to bring
it up is because this is the

783
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:58,080
exact direction AI is heading.
This is one of the first really,

784
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,520
truly agentic experiences where
you can call on AI and AI can

785
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,040
just go off on its own and do
what it needs to do to get the

786
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,040
job done.
Now, how this works is you

787
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,200
essentially after you've
installed it, you've connected

788
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,320
it to AI, done all this stuff,
you basically can connect it to

789
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,040
whatever messaging platform you
communicate in.

790
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,200
So you could do Slack, you could
do Discord, Telegram.

791
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,440
I have it right now connected to
that Rabbit R1 device and you

792
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,720
literally just have a
conversation with it and then AI

793
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,360
get said it handles whatever
task you throw at it.

794
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,760
Where the security implications
come into this is when it's

795
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,080
installed.
It has to an extent, depending

796
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,720
on how you set it up, it can
have pretty much full access to

797
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,040
your computer.
It can run code, it can get into

798
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,040
your terminal, it can check your
emails, it can it can order you

799
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,640
other AIR models.
Yeah, I could order you a pizza.

800
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,600
This thing is so incredibly
powerful, which is why

801
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,720
everyone's kind of jumping on
board or getting so hyped up

802
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,560
about it.
Nick, can I ask you if you

803
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,520
wouldn't mind?
I feel like if I cuz I know a

804
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,000
little bit about it thanks to
you and I feel like the average

805
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,120
AI user or maybe somebody who
doesn't use AIA lot might think,

806
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,240
well this sounds just like
ChatGPT for the most part I've

807
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,800
seen, I've heard that ChatGPT
can do a lot of these different

808
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,800
things.
So what's the difference?

809
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,560
So the big difference is how
this tool handles the

810
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,560
information that you provided.
So with ChatGPT, you basically,

811
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,040
you ask ChatGPT a question,
ChatGPT finds the answer and

812
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,320
gives you the answer.
You can have a red blog post,

813
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,400
you can have it do all that
stuff.

814
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,400
It's fine.
It's cool.

815
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,200
The next time you come in to
ChatGPT, you have to reset up

816
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,360
the prompt.
You have to.

817
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,040
And I know there's tools like
GPTS and projects and things

818
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,960
like that that can help kind of
eliminate some of this.

819
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,000
But you basically having to set
up the whole situation again,

820
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,120
you're having to explain, you're
having to reiterate to ChatGPT

821
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,240
how you want something done or
how you want it written.

822
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,400
And where Open Claw kind of
takes it to the next level is

823
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,560
you teach it one time and it
saves that information into its

824
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,280
stored memory essentially.
And it's constantly updating

825
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,240
these memory files based on how
you explain what you want, how

826
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,440
the questions do you ask even as
much as like when you want

827
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,320
pieces of information.
Like a good example is a guy

828
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040
every morning he would come in
and he would ask for like a

829
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,760
summary of how his YouTube
competitors are doing.

830
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,400
So Open Claw stores this
information and eventually keys

831
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,040
in on the fact like, hey, this
guy's asking me every day for

832
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,160
these competitors.
I'm just going to proactively

833
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,160
generate a report for him in the
morning with a summary of what

834
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,560
his competitors are doing this
morning.

835
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,280
And it takes it upon itself to
actually take that action and

836
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,280
start doing things for you.
So it's no longer waiting to or

837
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,320
Mark to say, hey, give me this
information and saying, hey,

838
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,760
Mark asked for this information
a lot.

839
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,560
I'm just going to start giving
it to him and then he doesn't

840
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:11,840
even have to ask me for it
anymore.

841
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:16,680
And that's really the true power
of where we're heading with some

842
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,160
of this agentic stuff is it's
not going to be a like A cause

843
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,160
and effect.
Like you need to trigger it in

844
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,160
order to get a result.
Like it's going to get to the

845
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,120
point where these AI platforms
know you, what you do, how you

846
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,680
work, what you expect, and it
will be able to just start doing

847
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,600
instead of waiting.
Wow so I think you can imagine

848
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,040
as a content creator all the
different possibilities that you

849
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,880
could potentially use with
something like what's it open

850
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
claw now?
Yeah, and Nick, do you think it

851
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,800
could go as far as, you know,
telling it here's my Riverside

852
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,720
account, go in and edit my
podcast episode or edit a short

853
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,800
form clip for me, I.
Would be very interested.

854
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,160
I think what we're seeing with
like a lot of me, we've talked

855
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,440
about MCPS in here a little bit,
but essentially what those allow

856
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,200
AI to do is run different tools
on platforms.

857
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,960
And a lot of companies are
adopting these MCP like servers

858
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,120
to allow AI to control the
applications.

859
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,440
I don't think Riverside has one
right now, but if it did, you

860
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,480
could essentially give open Claw
that MCP server and it would

861
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,000
have a list to say like download
the transcript, generate magic

862
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,560
clips, add the magic sound or
magic audio to the video.

863
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,080
Yeah.
And then you could just tell AI,

864
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,480
hey, go clean this up for me.
And thence it knows every time

865
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,800
Mark goes in there, he wants me
to add the magic audio, he wants

866
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,760
me to generate clips, He wants
me to do this.

867
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,920
He'll just go and do those
things without saying OK, yeah,

868
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,560
what do you want me to do to it?
I think we're still very early

869
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,280
in this, like very early with
how this is all going, but this

870
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,800
is the direction that we're
heading where, yeah, these

871
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,400
become true assistants.
Is it all voice it can you use

872
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,680
voice activated or is it all
typing in?

873
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,840
So two things.
One, I want to clarify, this is

874
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,280
not clawed.
It sounds similar.

875
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,240
It's CLAW, not clawed like
Anthropic, the company that was

876
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,200
part of the reason they had to
get their name changed because

877
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,920
Anthropic came after them and
said, hey, that's too close.

878
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,080
Yeah, so it's a completely
different platform.

879
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,240
But yes, there are this speech
and I think speech to text, but

880
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:35,440
that's what like when I have
that R1 device that is a voice

881
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,360
input device.
So I hold the button down and

882
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,240
talk directly to it and it
transcribes everything that I

883
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,200
say and sends it to the, the AI
model to do what it's going to

884
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,960
do.
So the, the big disclaimer and

885
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,800
I, I mentioned this at the
beginning, but I just want to

886
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,080
reiterate again, like this is a
very new, it is open source,

887
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,720
it's all community driven.
So there are a lot of security

888
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:01,120
concerns with that people if
they give access into emails and

889
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,680
messages and things like that,
it has full access.

890
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,320
So it is very prone to prompt
injections to getting

891
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,600
infiltrated and a bad actor can
definitely come in.

892
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:21,040
And if it is able to access your
Open Claw account, that means

893
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,000
that since Open Claw has access
to all your stuff, they have

894
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,440
access to all your stuff.
Yeah.

895
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,440
So it is a very big security
concern right now.

896
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,560
And most of the people that are
actually running this are

897
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,640
running them on completely
separate devices where they're

898
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,880
not logged into any of their
specific accounts.

899
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,120
It's very controlled for that
reason.

900
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,440
So if you are going to do it,
you better make sure that you

901
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,920
get in like understand the
technical aspects of how it all

902
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,320
works, the implications.
I feel like we can do a whole

903
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,040
episode on all of this stuff.
Yeah, I'm waiting it out.

904
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,080
I am not jumping in yet because
I want to wait and see what

905
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,200
happens, especially with these
security concerns.

906
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,600
So I'm living through you, Nick,
for at least the next little.

907
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,440
While what I have set up and how
I'm using it, I'm using it in a

908
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,600
very limited scope.
I haven't, like, given it the

909
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,680
keys to the Kingdom and just
opened it wide open because I'm

910
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,200
afraid of that exact thing as
well.

911
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,400
I think this is the first time
that we've introduced an AI tool

912
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,560
where I'm not like, Oh my gosh,
you have to use this right now.

913
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,400
Yeah, I'm saying like, if you're
very technical, go for it.

914
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,280
But if you're not very
technical, like, just pay

915
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,520
attention because this is where
it's headed.

916
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,520
Billy in the chat says he's
started watching Terminator

917
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,600
movies again because he's
prepping for the future.

918
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,760
Yeah, the bill is point.
I was going to say I'm not

919
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,160
usually a conspiracy theorist,
but we want to call this like

920
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,720
Skynet's larval form at this
point.

921
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,480
Like I'm a little concerned
about that.

922
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,080
But, but to give a point to
those who are not going to jump

923
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,280
on the, the open claw right
away, I think I've found that

924
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,480
you can quote UN quote train
ChatGPT pretty well in the sense

925
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,040
that, for instance, one of my
recent conversations, I'm not

926
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,360
ever having to like restart a
conversation.

927
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,880
I have trained at least one
conversation to where if I have

928
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,040
the captions or the transcript
of a recording, all I have to do

929
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,840
is throw it in and say apply
what I, what I call it to the

930
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,440
hybrid analysis.
Then it will create an entire

931
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,680
SEO breakdown that is customized
for both Spotify and Apple

932
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,560
Podcasts.
So I have verbiage and

933
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,640
breakdowns and descriptions and
main points that work for both

934
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,920
of those algorithms.
So if you're not looking to hop

935
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,280
into open Cloud right away,
ChatGPT is still rather

936
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,040
trainable at this point.
Thank you BC All right, looking

937
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,400
at the clock, looking at all the
things, I think this is a good

938
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,440
place to wrap up news and
comment this morning.

939
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,640
Thank you all for your
contributions.

940
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,520
Whether you shared a story,
whether you commented on the

941
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,680
stories, thank you.
That's what makes this show go

942
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,840
round.
And thanks for the spiciness as

943
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,240
well.
To Alex, that's two days in a

944
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:04,440
row.
We've had a little spice.

945
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,160
Yesterday it came from Janae.
Today Alex and I enjoy it.

946
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,560
So thanks for bringing it.
And tomorrow we're back.

947
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,840
We're not doing a podcast
evaluation tomorrow, but we will

948
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,120
have one the following week.
More to come on that, but

949
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,320
tomorrow we're diving back into
the mailbag.

950
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,320
We keep getting a lot of
positive feedback about that

951
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,240
segment.
So that's what we're going to do

952
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,400
on Thursday.
Answering your questions,

953
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,200
whether you've sent them
directly to the podcasting

954
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,040
morning chat or maybe you've put
them in a Facebook group,

955
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,200
whether it's ours or another
podcasting group, that's where

956
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,240
we gather the information.
Feel free to e-mail me if you

957
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:45,560
want your question answered
mark.marc@ironicmedia.com or

958
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,760
just go to podcasting,
morningchat.com.

959
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,200
You can find the contact us
section and you can do it

960
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,640
through there.
So until tomorrow, make it a

961
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,440
great day everybody.
Take care.