What SmartLess Can Teach You About Building a Podcast People Love

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Good morning podcasting Morning
chat.

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Today is Monday, November 3rd,
and today we're looking at the

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podcast Smart list and what we
can learn from their format.

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Help our podcast get heard by
more people.

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If you are listening here on
Clubhouse, please share the room

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however you can share it.
And if you are listening via

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podcast, please let another pod,
yes or no, wait 30 seconds while

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we get things set up and then we
will jump into the stroll.

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Good morning, podcasting,
morning chat.

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Welcome to today's show.
Like I said, we were talking

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about the podcast Smartlist
today, and we're going to learn

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what we can take from Smartlist
and use in our own show.

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Today Here on the stage with me,
I've got Ashley Feller, Dr. Fay,

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Nick Naalbek, Sid Meadows, and
I'm totally blanking on the

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podcast mogul's actual name.
Feel better?

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Thank you, Phil.
I it would come to me at some

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point.
And then over here on chatter, I

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do have Amanda Yoa with me.
So we're going to talk about

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Smartless, which is a show
hosted by Jason Bateman, Sean

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Hayes and Will Arnett.
And we have some clips that

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we're going to go through and,
and pick parts of it from the

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podcast that we can talk about
different aspects of it.

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Like I said, I am over on
clubhouse.

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I do have slides for you guys,
but that if you can't, you're

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not going to be able to see them
over on on Clubhouse.

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You can come over to chatter and
see them if you would like.

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Good.
We are going to jump in and then

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I will we'll play the first
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But first I want to just talk a
little bit about what Smartlist

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is.
One of the things that that's

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really unique about Smartlist is
the setup of it.

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It is repost.
They actually have a surprise

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guest that comes on each week
once they're invited by one of

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the hosts.
So it's an interesting format

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that we're going to talk a
little bit about in this first

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clip.
My guest today had quite the

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historic beginning.
I just wrote this last night.

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When she was born, Martin Luther
King Junior and his wife Coretta

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paid the hospital bill.
I didn't know this until I

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looked it up.
She grew up in Georgia playing

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the clarinet in the school band,
which I loved learning about.

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After graduation, she moved to
New York, sold running shoes.

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Guess what chased an acting
dream on a film set 30 years

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ago?
She picked up knitting.

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Hasn't put the needles down
since her kids once after.

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If she was more famous than
Taylor Swift these days, she's

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happiest at her ranch in New
Mexico.

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You could call her an Oscar
winner.

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You call her America sweetheart.
You call her my sweetheart.

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But today I'll just call her the
brilliant.

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And always Julia Robert.
Julia Robert.

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Yeah, I got.
It Oh my God.

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Julia.
Hello, Julia.

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That's so cute.
She's wearing a firefighter

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uniform, folks.
It's Boy Scouts.

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Oh, Boy Scouts, It's Boy Scouts.
Oh, it isn't Boy Scouts.

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I did a little lead scouts.
Hi, how?

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Cool that you're doing.
This she's.

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Gone for that.
For that.

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All my all my research.
Sort of like a haiku.

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About one's grandmother.
So that is a clip from the Julia

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Roberts episode that aired a few
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And the reason I actually use
that clip is I wanted to talk a

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little bit about the mystery
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that's one of the keys for that
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The success of that show is
there's a mystery guest and each

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week we don't know who the guest
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of the hosts and then the people
on don't know even who is going

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to be the guest.
And and that is to me, one of

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the stand out strategies that
works for smart list.

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But I would love to know, you
know, why you guys think it

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works if the mystery guest
format is something you're you

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like and hopefully we're going
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after this now that we can hear
clips.

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So I'm going to open it up.
Does anybody want to talk about

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the mystery guest format and why
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I'll.
Jump in real quick.

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Sure.
I'd never listened to Sparkless

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until you guys said this was
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So I listened to this episode on
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I didn't realize that it was
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I just thought that they were
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So I thought they were kind of
acting it.

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I didn't realize that it was
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So it's very interesting that
nobody knows except the one

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person that picked them.
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I like, hey, this is somebody
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you're the coast that doesn't
know, that puts you in the

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position to really be a point
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asking, thinking on your feet.
So I think I really liked it.

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Yeah, I agree.
I think that having a mystery

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guest keep makes all the other
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feet and see what's going to
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I personally, I enjoyed the
banter between the hosts, the

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banter between Julia Roberts.
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organic as it felt.
Does anybody else have anything

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they want to share about the
mystery guest format?

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I will share.
I love it.

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I think it's a great idea.
Talk about, you know, the teas

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of all teas, especially from a,
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perspective, not really knowing
who the guest is going to be.

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Sometimes when you see a certain
guest on, you may not want to,

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they might not be your cup of
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TuneIn.
So this kind of gives the

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listener the incentive of, you
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week or however often they do
their episodes because you don't

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know who's going to be on.
And then maybe come to find out

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you hear something that you
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that you normally wouldn't have
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episode.
So I think it's awesome.

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Yeah, absolutely, Amanda.
And I think what's really cool

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is the show itself isn't really
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concept, not necessarily the
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So it that makes a huge
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as well.
Go ahead, Nick.

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Hey, good morning.
I think it definitely plays

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better that and I think the
support for independent

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podcasters as well.
It plays well that the listeners

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love the hosts.
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Doesn't matter who the guest is
going to be like it's a fun

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surprise on top of the fact that
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person.
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I were to try to do that and I
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information about the guest that
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a little bit harder for me to
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Now them think about it,
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creative ways of spilling what
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and what they're going to get
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actually revealing who the guest
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But I think it definitely plays
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big fans of the hosts.
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that we keep that in mind.
I know we've had discussions on

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that here it on this show
talking about how the listeners

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are tuning in for the host.
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time again for the host, not the
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I think playing with those two
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I was just saying I disagree.
I disagree only because I've

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been from a consumer
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I've dodged certain podcasts
where certain guests were on

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that, you know, their style of
comedy just wasn't my cup of

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tea.
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listened to on the regular.
I said, you know what, we'll

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just catch up.
Not my cup of tea.

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Probably not going to be my
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So I don't think it's always
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especially if the focus is on
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I think, you know, the person
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that's on or may not appreciate
the guest that's on and choose

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to just sit that one out.
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With you 100%, Amanda, I think
playing the mystery guest part

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of it worked because the the
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the host and then once they get
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this is the guest.
So it kind of eliminates that.

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Oh, I don't care for this
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listen.
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by far to be the most important
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Does that make sense?
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do it because they are three
huge names in the industry and

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between the three of them, they
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single person in the industry.
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guest is going to be a big name.
It's still a mystery, but it's

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going to be a big name.
And so it works for them.

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But would it work for me?
No.

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So yeah, it works for them,
that's for sure.

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The way he introduced Julia.
I listened to other interviews

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as well as well after listening
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The way he introduced it was
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best friend.
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podcast, we have to understand
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guest as much as intro when
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the audience.
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He made her sound like way like
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little things about her that we
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So that and she may have
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And you saw that kind of like
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And we just need to remember
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that value to our guests, like
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superstar.
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Now I know, Dr. said.
You know, there are three huge

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hosts, what we take from it, and
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add a surprise element to our
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having it be a rotating mystery
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But we can add some surprise to
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really keep people engaged.
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consistency, but fun as well
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it can be fun.
But I wonder if anybody else I

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know Dr. thinks it would be hard
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I get it, but does anybody else
have any way that we could use

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something like this in our own
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So on my show, once I got, I
don't know, probably like 20-30

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episodes into the 95 podcast, I
had started talking with Travis

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Brown, who was the creator of
Pod Deck, which our little

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interview question cards come in
like a deck of cards and they

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got all kinds of questions on
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Then that was a little fun
icebreaker type of thing that I

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ended up doing with all of my
guests where we pick some random

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questions out of the deck and
the guests would answer kind of

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like rapid fire style to kind of
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Because a lot of the questions
they, they weren't really

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necessarily like business
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they were kind of just fun
questions to get to know the

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guests before we actually got
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And that was something that I
started doing every episode and

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actually had feedback from
listeners saying I think 1

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episode I forgot to do it or
didn't have the cards with me or

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whatever.
And they're like, oh, are you

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done doing that?
Like I really enjoyed that part

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of it because the question
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I don't know, it's just kind of
a fun way to bring that element

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to surprise.
Like what is the question going

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to be?
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So for Nick, he had a specific
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So the format stayed the same,
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changed because he was pulling
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So that is a surprise element
that he added into his podcast.

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Anybody else?
And it can be a mystery guest.

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It can be a surprise topic.
It could be even letting the

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audience to make questions.
Any any other ideas on ways that

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we can make this work for our
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Go ahead, Sid.
Friend to host a podcast and he

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does something that's really
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He does a warm up question and
it's being recorded and he does

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a warm up question just to get
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And they range from, you know,
how are your kids to I don't

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know if something else right?
And but he actually starts his

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show with the warm up question
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We think about surprising and
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It's really delightful because
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relax.
It's a very, it's a very fun

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little banter back and forth.
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him when I saw him last week, I
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me an inside look at what's
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I like that and that is another
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surprise elements into your
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Great example, Sid, anybody else
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If not, we'll go on to the next
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Oh, Willie, where are you?
New York City.

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It's my new place in New York.
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Do you love it?
What do you mean you got you got

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a place?
Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, that's amazing.
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Where are you?
Are you doing press Willie for

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your movie?
No, no, I'm just.

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Not yet, I'm about to but I'm
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Here in my place.
You might be seeing a friend.

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Oh, he's got dollar bill though
he's got a gambling issue.

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He likes to be as close.
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Without going wait, how are you?
How is everybody doing?

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We haven't seen each other in
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Weeks.
I know I don't like it.

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I saw JB.
Last week a couple times we

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played.
Golf.

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That's nice.

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We did a little charity work.
Oh yeah, Will did.

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Some some some MC ING of a a a
very special charity event.

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The Yes charity Yes.
What is that about?

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Sir Friend Eric Eisner's.
Charity the Young Eisner.

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Scholars, it's a.
Really great actually, look it

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up.
It's a very.

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Worthy.
Cause and he they identify.

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You know, kids from underserved
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Who?
Who are really?

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Smart and helps.
Might not otherwise have access

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to funds for higher education.
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Secondary education or.
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Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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of the episode because I felt
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chemistry that the host all
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They are totally their friends,
real friends, and the

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conversation was all comfortable
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to the overall feeling of, you
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that you're they're having
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just chatting and you're just
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connection that happens between
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real and that kind of it helps
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like, I thought it was the
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but anybody else have anything
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particular?
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chemistry aspect where it
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they're recording a podcast
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Like you said, it's like a group
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because I've never actually
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feel like you can be a little
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Like at one point, Next up,
everyone's kind of like talking

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over each other and like I don't
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now.
I can't fully understand.

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and everyone kind of settling
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I've always gravitated towards
that fun banter and you're just

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I'm going to talk about the
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think that's important.
What you said is like it feels

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almost a little bit chaotic, but
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it feels like, you know,
honestly, it's a real

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conversation happening.
I think, Phil, you were going

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to.
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something out there for how to
how we as independent podcasters

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can take something away from the
Smartlist podcast and their

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banter.
It's almost as if they've timed

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it.
They know that they have like 5

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minutes of banter that they can
go with because they know their

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audience wants to hear the
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panel ask type show so they have
more than one Co host when

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they're interviewing or if
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podcast, their banter goes for
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can turn people off.
I like even though these people

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are paid comedians pretty much,
they understand that their

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banter isn't what is important,
it's with a guess so they can

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try and keep the banter as low
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in the most part.
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that's important for everybody.
I think the connection that we

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feel because of the banter helps
us warm up to everything that's

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happening.
You know, with them on the

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episode, whoever their guest is,
it's just a comfortable kind of

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intro, but it doesn't go too
long, which I know many times it

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can go too long and be
uncomfortable for people to

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listen to or just people turn
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So I think that's important.
And you know, the friendship and

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the connection and the real
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them, but it's not too long.
What about how the host kind of

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interact with one another is for
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That chemistry that exists
between them because they are

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real friends, I think is
important for the podcast and

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for us to look at if we're
looking to have a similar

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podcast where it is a group of
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You can just tell, I didn't know
that they were friends before I

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saw that they were doing a show
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But listening to them talk, it's
like, Oh yeah, they definitely

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have some chemistry.
Their friends beyond the show.

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It's not just something that
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like, OK, hey, let's just do a
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Like you can actually feel that.
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can tell that like they are
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Absolutely.
And I think that's really the

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key.
And one of the takeaways is that

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that chemistry, that chemistry
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Even through the interview with
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just chemistry there where it
flows, it's natural.

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So I think that's one of the big
takeaways is making sure that no

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matter who is, you know who
you're working with, you've got

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the right either Co host or
guest and there's some sort of

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chemistry that flows with your
podcast.

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There's something that connects
people to you because that's an

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important aspect.
So how you host, if you have a

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good connection with your Co
host, stuff like that, having

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that chemistry is important
almost more so than the concept

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itself because you can have a
strong concept but not have the

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chemistry and it might it's
going to fall flat.

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I was just going to say I really
like what Dave said in the chat.

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He said I like the unscripted
questions for the guest.

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You can't really create a list
of questions in advance for an

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unknown mystery guest.
But isn't it the way that it

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goes that one host knows who the
guest is going to be?

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No one host knows who the guest
is going to be.

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OK, but only one.
The others don't.

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So the questions in the
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unscripted to a certain extent.
I was going to say, I appreciate

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that.
I, I appreciate at least maybe

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the, the host knowing who the
guest is so he can reel the

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conversation back in.
From a listener's perspective.

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I like that the other host don't
know and that it's unscripted

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because that's where they'll be
able to create that connection

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and that synergy from the guest
to the listener, you know,

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somebody that maybe they want to
fall to tune into and on based

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on things that we didn't know
about that specific person.

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So the unscripted questions I
think come in key to and

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creating that connection that
maybe wouldn't have been there.

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The thing is, you can be the
hangout, not the lecture.

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Nobody goes to Smartless.
Like we didn't go to Smartless

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to learn more about Julia
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Roberts.
We went because we wanted to

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listen to the conversation and
hear about what's going on.

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It's more informal.
So be the hangout, the place

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that people can go and hang out
with your podcast, not

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necessarily the place that
people are going to learn

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because we don't go to Smart
List to learn, do we?

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I don't, I don't think so.
They come to kind of be a part

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of the experience and be a part
of what's happening.

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So we go there to be a part of
the community, not necessarily

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learn from the podcast.
And that's something that we can

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take away and use in our own
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I was just thinking to like
talking from like a host

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perspective, but I think as a
guest perspective, it plays

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really well in the guests favor
to be featured on a show like

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this.
Because I have to imagine that

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the circles that Julia Roberts
runs in aren't necessarily the

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same circles that Jason
Bateman's running in.

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And I think it it's kind of cool
seeing them share audiences and

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it can build a kind of like a
trust and rapport with other

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people that you might not
necessarily have done

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previously.
Like, if I was just constantly

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following what Jason Bateman and
all those guys were doing, I

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probably wouldn't know much
about Julia Roberts and what

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she's doing and the fact that
they're bringing her into their

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circle.
It bodes well for Julia Roberts

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because that they get to share
audiences in a way, thinking

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about that from a guest
perspective, you being a guest

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on other shows, that could play
to your advantage as well.

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So obviously those 3 hosts are
very comfortable with each other

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and it makes me wonder how do we
make our guests feel

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comfortable?
Obviously Julia was very

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comfortable with all of them.
She knows them.

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So it was like, you know, four
friends coming to your local

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coffee shop, getting together
and hanging out, right?

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So the question becomes is how
do we make our guests when, if

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you have an interview show, feel
comfortable to relax and to be

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able to just have fun and enjoy
the conversation.

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So that I work on all the time.
And I can always tell I can pick

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up body language signals that
record on Zoomed when I can see

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people are uncomfortable.
But I think that's really the

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question for us is how can we
make our guests feel comfortable

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so that we're just having like a
real authentic conversation and.

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I'll put that out to everybody.
Ashley, Dr. Phil, go ahead.

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The way I do it normally is
before I even hit record, I have

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about a 5 to 10 minute
conversation just to break the

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eyes, get them used to speaking.
Because I find with interviews,

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people are hesitant to talk.
They're not in that groove or

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the, the mindset to talk when
they come into the interview,

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even though as the host we've,
we're, we're already in that

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we're able to kick it in.
So I usually have about a, a 5

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to 10 minute conversation
beforehand, which gets the guest

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in that remote of talking, gets
them relaxed because they're

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talking every conversation and
they get to know you a bit

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beforehand.
So you're breaking all that ice

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before the actual interview
happens and it makes them feel a

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bit more relaxed.
So that's what I usually do I.

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Also tell my guests to thing I'm
trying to get them to relax and

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I just I do with field.
I was like, maybe not 10

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minutes, but we just chat for a
couple of minutes, ask them how

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their days go and that kind of
stuff.

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And I just remind them I'm like,
hey, if I ask you a question you

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don't want to answer, just say,
hey, dude, I'm not answering

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that question.
I kind of laugh and smile at it.

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And I said, yeah, then we can
cut it out.

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Take a pause and we can cut that
out.

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And then if I ask you a question
that you don't like the way you

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answered it and you want to redo
it, just say just stop and take

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a pause.
Say, hey, I really want to redo

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that.
Can you ask me the question

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again?
So I'm trying to make them

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comfortable to realize that,
hey, we're going to edit this.

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You don't have to be perfect.
It's unscripted and there's

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grace here.
If you don't like how you

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00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,120
answered or if you really just
don't want to answer a question

453
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,400
that I ask you, then you know,
just say, hey dude, I'm not

454
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,640
answering that question.
So try to make a little bit of

455
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,920
light of it, but also let them
know that there's post

456
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,360
production.
It's going to happen that we can

457
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:11,560
make it work.
There you go, Ashley, do you

458
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,920
want to share your tip?
Sure, and I know this won't work

459
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,080
in every environment, but I
interview a lot of my guests

460
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,600
outside at music festivals, so a
lot of times I'll make them a

461
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,640
cocktail and that'll usually get
them a little more comfortable

462
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,520
and I also remind them.
That it is edited.

463
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,120
And if they think.
Of something.

464
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,840
That maybe they didn't want to
say or maybe they shared it too

465
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,200
soon that we can take it out and
that usually helps them feel

466
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,440
more comfortable.
I love that you hand him a

467
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,280
cocktail.
I think that's a great way to do

468
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,400
it.
Anybody else?

469
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Any ways to make their guests
feel comfortable so they get a

470
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,560
good interview out of them?
I always record right from the

471
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,800
get go and I continue recording
after the end of the interview,

472
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,760
which makes them for the most
part, actually, once we start

473
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,280
talking bantering, even though
they're on, they're recorded.

474
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,480
They feel they feel comfortable
about it because they're already

475
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,320
being recorded.
But yeah, Jeff has come up.

476
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,440
Jeff, did you want to contribute
to this?

477
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,400
I would love to contribute.
Good morning, everybody.

478
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,120
I think the way to make your
guests feel comfortable is all

479
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,280
the things you said.
Everyone said is great.

480
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,360
The thing that my guests tend to
say to me when we have a good

481
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:22,040
conversation is that I made them
feel I'm easy to talk to.

482
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,680
Now, I don't, I know that I
don't have bullet points on

483
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,240
that, but what I think it means
is that the comfort level of

484
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,640
your guest is based on the host.
I bring it down to just

485
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,800
listening and not interrupting.
Like the more they feel heard,

486
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,600
the more they'll talk or the
more questions that you ask them

487
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,760
that challenge them that maybe
they haven't asked, that will

488
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,440
trigger different things in
their brain that they haven't

489
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,640
answered 1000 times.
I think that opens them up and

490
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,320
ultimately makes them feel more
comfortable.

491
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,520
Absolutely.
I love that.

492
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,880
It's not a great way to do it,
all right.

493
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600
Definitely listening to what
they have to say is going to

494
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,720
help them feel more comfortable
sharing what they have to say.

495
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,640
I think you as the host and the
energy you bring to the

496
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,560
recording is so important.
So if you're having a bad

497
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,520
morning and you're doing a
morning recording, you're having

498
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,840
a bad morning and you're a bit
of a pissy mood, that's going to

499
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,240
come through.
So I think taking a moment to

500
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,960
just reset to make sure that
your energy is in the right

501
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,320
place, you're upbeat, you're
excited about the looking

502
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,080
forward to the recording, he
said.

503
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,040
What was he saying about the
energy you put into the room?

504
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,080
Is what you get out of the room
and to really think about where

505
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,760
you are mentally and
energetically as you start to

506
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,400
hit the record button.
All right, so I'll reset.

507
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,680
I'm ready to go.
Here we go.

508
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,480
By the way, the last clip is a
little bit chaotic, but I

509
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,400
brought it before kind of for
that purpose, but it's about 45

510
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240
seconds, so it shouldn't be too
bad for everybody, but it is a

511
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,040
little bit chaotic sleeping with
the enemy.

512
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,720
And then you know, you know the
thing and Steel Magnolia is

513
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,120
Scotty's diabetic.
And when you had that scene,

514
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,800
Scotty had a scene like that in
real life.

515
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,920
And I had, I'd only watched
Steel Magnolia.

516
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,640
It's like for the first time,
like say that it was 8 years

517
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,240
ago.
Crazy.

518
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,160
What?
No.

519
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,840
Thanks for the support.
My God.

520
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,320
I've seen Steven with the enemy
like 17 times, but I have, I've

521
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,920
seen it a billion times.
But no, the no.

522
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,880
Yeah, but that scene was so
real.

523
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Scotty's flatlining go ahead.
That scene was so real when you

524
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,080
had the diabetic thing and, and
when he was, when we first

525
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,360
started dating, we've been
together almost 20 years.

526
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,240
And he would be, he would do.
Let's go on to the next

527
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,960
question.
Good Lord.

528
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,320
It's a chaotic clip, but I think
for me what that brought out was

529
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,760
they kind of let the listeners
kind of listen in to what's

530
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,080
really happening and they make
it very, very human in their

531
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,000
editing and how they're
presenting it.

532
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:58,440
It's feels human, but there's a
very delicate balance between

533
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,480
what's too chaotic because that
was in the middle of the

534
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,520
interview.
That was a chunk in the middle

535
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,680
of the interview.
They were trying to get a point

536
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,120
across the the question really
didn't land ever, But you know,

537
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,840
that's in the chaos was a little
bit fun to listen to.

538
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,320
But how can you include maybe a
little bit of chaos or a little

539
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,320
bit of, you know, what's
happening?

540
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,760
How how do you use that in your
podcast to make it work?

541
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,400
I mean, I think it's smart
editing.

542
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,200
Go ahead, DRI.
Said it before in the last time

543
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,280
I spoke.
I think the chaos works for them

544
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,760
because these are freaking movie
stars.

545
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,640
We love just to be that table
next to all the movie stars and

546
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,640
have that we lean back to get
our ear closer to whatever

547
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,080
they're saying.
We don't care.

548
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,320
We just want to hear what the
movie stars have to say.

549
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,880
If they're talking shop, if
they're shooting the breeze.

550
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:02,240
But I'm not sure if something
that chaotic would work for me

551
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,600
or for my clients because
they're not they're not famous

552
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,280
names.
A few months ago, I was editing

553
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,800
a show and the host and the
guest knew each other really

554
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,240
well.
I mean, they were like, almost

555
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,280
best friends, and all of a
sudden they started breaking

556
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,720
into this conversation.
Oh, I'm trying to get Tony for

557
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,320
the show.
Oh, I love Tony.

558
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Yeah, Tony's great.
You know what?

559
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920
I went to temple with Tony.
Oh, that's cool.

560
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,480
No, you know what?
It's a different Tony.

561
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,680
It's not the same Tony.
Oh, no, I know that Tony too,

562
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,200
because I went to the temple
with you, Tony.

563
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,200
I mean, they were having this
weird conversation that means

564
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,640
nothing, nothing to the
listener.

565
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,040
So.
But it would mean something if

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,280
they were two famous people
talking, going back and forth

567
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,880
like that.
So Dr. I'm going to I'm going to

568
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520
openly disagree with you on this
for one reason.

569
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,160
I think something that we can
take away from this listening

570
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,360
here on to smart list is that we
can have messy moments and we

571
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,240
can have things that are
happening that, you know, people

572
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,920
may actually be interested in
because they make us a real

573
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,360
human being.
And when you allow for that,

574
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,160
like just drop the
perfectionism, I think one of

575
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520
the biggest lessons we can learn
from that particular clip is

576
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,680
drop the perfectionism.
We don't need everything to be

577
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,680
perfect.
We can have moments like that in

578
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,200
our podcast that people might
actually engage with because

579
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,960
they make us human.
And I'll let you respond if you

580
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,400
want.
I'm still not convinced,

581
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,040
especially with the example that
I gave.

582
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,240
You know, our big thing is give
value to the to the listeners.

583
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,920
What's valuable give value, and
that whole stretch of stuff that

584
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,880
I had to take out and edit out
was not valuable at all.

585
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,000
But was it valuable because it
made them human?

586
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,520
And that's where I'm going to,
I'm going to stand on that one.

587
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,920
It may have been valuable
because it made them human and

588
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,680
allowed people to connect with
them on that level.

589
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,440
But that's insinuating that
without that chaos that they

590
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,800
were not as human.
And I'm going to disagree with

591
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,400
that because the entire
interview that showed their

592
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,280
foibles and everything that goes
with it, we agree to disagree on

593
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,720
this.
All right, fair enough.

594
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,040
And I see Alexandra came up on
stage, so I want to give her a

595
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,880
chance to contribute if she had
something she wanted to say.

596
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,680
I was just saying one thing that
I learned from my interviews

597
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,920
with with Conan quit before I
had to put it on the shelf is

598
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,600
doing the research and asking
questions that haven't been

599
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920
asked before.
It's something that I've noticed

600
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,240
works no matter what the format
is, whether it's a conference or

601
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,800
it's podcast interview or
whatever it is, because people

602
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,720
are tired of being asked the
same standard questions all the

603
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,560
time.
So I did put up a poll because,

604
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,040
well, Billy told us to.
So if you guys want to vote on

605
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,400
the poll just to see if it, you
know, does a little messiness

606
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640
work in a podcast, It's kind of
how I phrased it.

607
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,240
You feel like it's the blooper
reel to me.

608
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,440
I mean, it could be.
It could be.

609
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,760
I think, though, in our overall,
you know, do we have a way to

610
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,640
show up differently?
And that's part of it.

611
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,280
And I see Ralph came up.
Go ahead, Ralph.

612
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,160
Yeah, I want to make a comment
about the whole chaos and

613
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,360
messiness.
I think it's one thing to allow

614
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,400
some imperfection.
I think it's a whole nother to

615
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,280
not be professional and I think
if we want to be taken seriously

616
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,200
in our podcasting we need to be
professional.

617
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,400
Always.
And if it doesn't?

618
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,120
Come across clear to the
listener then.

619
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,720
I don't think that's
professional.

620
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,640
I think we can make a
distinction between perfection.

621
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,760
I don't disagree with you.
I think perfection is something

622
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,360
that we do need to be worried
about and not so stressed about,

623
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,480
but we do need to always be
professional.

624
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,240
I agree that we always need to
be professional, but depending

625
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960
on each, you know, everybody's
podcast, that might come up a

626
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200
little bit differently.
Yeah, I agree.

627
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,080
You know, what's professional
for my podcast might be

628
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,240
different than others, but we
should always be professional

629
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,360
and we should always have pride
in our work.

630
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,600
We can be as messy as works for
us.

631
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,800
I think is is my point.
Each person is going to be a

632
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880
little bit different.
Amanda, did you have something?

633
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,840
I saw you come off my.
I think a little bit of

634
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,400
messiness works, especially for
them.

635
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaking specifically for them,
I mean they are all actors turn

636
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,760
podcasters.
So I think it also shows like,

637
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,920
hey, podcasting may not be our
wheelhouse, although we do have

638
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,200
our own show, right?
So it kind of shows that

639
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,360
vulnerability and realness that,
you know, maybe they're not the

640
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,560
pros in the game, but it's still
an entertaining and fun show.

641
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,640
And there are going to be times
where we have, like someone

642
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,360
mentioned a blooper here and
there.

643
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Why not show it?
But keeping it professional and

644
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,120
keeping it going to whatever
extent that is for your show

645
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,640
specifically, I think also plays
a role as well to kind of like,

646
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,560
OK, let's let's get it back on
on track here.

647
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,239
And you know, their
professionalism I'm sure would

648
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,760
allow them to to do that
seamlessly in and out of the

649
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,440
blooper.
So I think it makes for an

650
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,120
entertaining show for sure.
Well, we got about 7 minutes

651
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,159
left in.
In today's show.

652
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,280
I want to see if anybody has any
takeaways on how we can look at

653
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,639
smart lists and make it and make
our podcast get a little bit

654
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,280
more reach, be a little bit more
obsessive.

655
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,480
Worthy content is what I usually
call these podcasts.

656
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,480
How can we take some things away
from that and make it work for

657
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,600
us?
If anybody has anything, go

658
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,000
ahead Sid.
Jonathan, I have a question for

659
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,920
you.
Yep.

660
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,440
Why do you think this is an
obsession worthy podcast?

661
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,280
It's a real podcast where real
people are showing up and it's

662
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239
relatable.
And no, even though they're

663
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,240
movie stars, it's relatable.
It's not, it doesn't feel like

664
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,480
it's a piece of content.
It feels like it's a

665
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,000
conversation that's comfortable
with the with them.

666
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,280
I think they did a great job for
me overall.

667
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,960
They kind of allowed it for a
dynamic show to play out and the

668
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,520
dynamics of the show make it
really truly engaging in my

669
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,760
opinion.
They're who they are, how they

670
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,080
interact with their guests, the
comfortableness that they have,

671
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,000
the little bit of messiness.
It's not too polished.

672
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,720
It's really just hey, hang out
with friends and listening to

673
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,000
what they have to say, even
though they are movie stars.

674
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,320
So to me that was the big thing
with Smartless is is it just

675
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,080
feels comfortable to listen to.
So I would agree with you on

676
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,880
that.
It does to a degree, feel

677
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,920
comfortable to listen to.
Personally, I'm not somebody who

678
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,920
goes crazy over famous people.
I would have never listened to

679
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,040
this show.
And at 15 minutes in, I stopped

680
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,080
and I thought, what is this?
Like I almost texted you going,

681
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,520
why are we?
Why are we doing this one like I

682
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,360
was?
And then I made myself hit the

683
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,960
play button again to finish
listening to it because I wanted

684
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,440
to hear the whole thing.
I enjoyed it.

685
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:08,960
I do like Julia Roberts, I've
probably seen almost all of her

686
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,120
movies right?
But I wouldn't go back and

687
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
follow this show.
I would not go back and listen

688
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,000
to another episode of this show
cause again I don't go googly

689
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,480
eyed over famous people.
So I thought it was a nice

690
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,280
conversation.
I did enjoy hearing a few

691
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,920
tidbits about Julia Roberts I
didn't know about.

692
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,040
But I would not go back and
listen to this show again.

693
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,320
There's actually a lot of the
podcasts that I listen to for

694
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,760
this group of things that I do
over on the other on the other

695
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,680
app.
And I wouldn't necessarily

696
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,000
listen to them, but there are
things that I can take away from

697
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480
them that make them, you know,
that obsession worthy type of

698
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,760
content.
And for me, what worked for this

699
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,640
one was how comfortable the
conversation seemed, how

700
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,880
comfortable the hosts were with
each other, the overall

701
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,880
chemistry.
And it was more the feel of the

702
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,800
podcast that would get people
coming back, not just the viral

703
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,560
moment of the podcast or who's
the guest.

704
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,000
It's just that whole feel of the
podcast in my opinion.

705
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:08,440
I understand, Sid.
They're definitely some of the

706
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,560
some of these that I wouldn't
necessarily go back to, but

707
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,800
there's a lesson to take from
them.

708
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,320
As far as you know, a take away
for myself and my show, my show

709
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,640
is mainly a solo.
I'm the only host on the show.

710
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,800
So if I were to have a surprise
guest, I thought to myself, you

711
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,640
know, how would I orchestrate
this to where I could implement

712
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,160
the scripted and the unscripted
element.

713
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,360
And I think for me, an idea for
this, which I, I really love him

714
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,120
and my implement is having a
surprise guest where I know who

715
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,200
they are, pitching that to my
audience, letting them know

716
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,400
there's going to be a guest and
maybe offering that episode as a

717
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,840
Patreon episode or something
where they can live stream and

718
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,360
be a part.
And that way the in the chat,

719
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,840
they can ask those unscripted
questions based on the

720
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,640
conversation that we're having.
So for me and being a solo host,

721
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,560
I think that would be an
excellent idea of how to

722
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,160
implement this type of show into
my show.

723
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,320
And I love that Amanda, I think
that's a great, great take away

724
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,960
on it.
And it's definitely something

725
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,560
you could do.
It would be interesting to see

726
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,640
and your your audience would be
able to, you know, be the people

727
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,800
that don't know who the guest
is.

728
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,280
And that's really kind of cool.
Let me see, I saw something

729
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,120
older listeners may not love
messy younger will.

730
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,600
All right, I want to thank you
all for being here.

731
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,000
And we will be back tomorrow.
But so until then, hey, we'll

732
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640
make it a great day.
Have a good one guys, Take care.